I will be playing my son (who also plays Beatsmen - See previous threads. Best not to ask about my parenting skills LOL) at 2400 (been playing some re-training games at 1600 points) and will be against his Dark Elves. For what ever reason, I've always had problems facing his DE's, with him winning far more than me! My initial list for this game is as follows, and any comments would be welcome: Lords Slann, BSB, Std of Discipline, Becalming Cogitation, Focus of Mystery, Harmonic Convergence, Channeling Staff and Egg of Quango Heroes Scarvet, Cold one, Armour of Destiny, Great Weapon Scarvet, cold one, Steg Helm, Great Weapon Skink Priest, Level 1, Beasts, Dispel Scroll Core 3 x 10 skink skirmishers 33 Saurus Warriors, full command Special Chamo skinks 30 TG, full command Rare Ancient Steg, sharpened horns 2 x Salamander, each with snack. Comes in at 2399. Looking at my units, my thoughts are as follows: Sallies I know are great against T3 DEs. The steg and scarvet with steg helm will give some impact hits before the pointy eared ones hit me first. The chamo skinks will scout and hopefully get some pew pew on him and generally be a damn nuisance (I've never used chamo skinks before to any great degree so will be a steep learning curve). Scroll caddie with benefit of Wyssans, although with our normal strength and toughness is this necessary? Would the Heavens signature spell be better (for a lower casting value) The slann. From memory this was pretty much my standard build. I like High Magic and the ability to swap for other spells. The Egg also gives him some damage ability before combat occurs for real. Channels 3 times on a 5. Issues: Where do I put my two cowboys as I don't have any cold one cav? I had thought the TG What could I drop to take some cold one cav? Would a Basti and its bound spell be good against DEs? Again, what could I drop? I don't have a magic std on the TG. I have taken Razor Std with them previously, but not sure this would be absolutely necessary against DEs. Base strength +1 for halberds should be sufficient I feel. I have maxed out the number of skinks I have, so skink cloud Core is out of the question.