been lurking on here a while and thought I'd post some list ideas Some of these have been taken/adjusted from beanies list emporium thread. What do you guys think? These are built with tournaments in mind. List one (shooty/survival list): Heavens watch star host Star seer (the re rolls for imitative is too good to not have) Skink priest Star priest 2 X bastilladon Stegadon 3x10 Saurus 2x 5 chamos Jade wizard Gryphon hound 2000 List two (assault list) Blood claw star host Old blood on carno Scar vet on carno Vet on cold one Sun blood 3x 10 warriors Celestial hurricanum (mortal wounds and +1 to hit) Star seer 2 x5 chamos 2x gryphon hound 2000 List three (balanced) 3 X 10 Saurus 2 X bastilladon Standard bearer Star seer Jade wizard Scar vet on carno Skink priest Gryphon hound 2 X 5 chamos 1960 List four (alternative/dread suarian) Scar vet on carno Dread Saurian Star seer Skink priest Jade wizard Bastilladon Bastilladon Gryphon hound 3 X 10 Saurus 1960 pts Obviously haven't gone into too many tactics but think each list is obvious in its style - I try and go for a lot of synergies between units (dread Saurian -2 bravery and carno roar for example). What you guys think? J
Those are all interesting lists. Personally I would go for something totally different. I need to think on points, but my idea would involve an Eternal Starhost with Starseer, defending and buffing 3-4 dwarfs warmachines with engineer , and some fast units (surely some chama) to take objectives. Not so many synergies , but you threaten and hit hard the whole battlefield since turn 1
These look pretty good, if you play test them let us know, if I play test one I will let you know how it did.
@Joeg Great to see someone starting to splash in those Jade mages! Some very interesting lists, my pick for favourite is probably List 2- through my own experience, I played a very similar list a short while back and it is a hell of a lot of fun to play. You've made some really cool little changes, I especially like the Hurricanum addition- so many mortal wounds! Having a Gryph hound nearby is absolutely brutal for any fast deploying army, and the fact that the Hurricanum also buffs all your nearby units as well is just the icing on the cake. The only real change I would consider would be to drop the starseer and one of the Gryph hounds, this would give you 200 points to spend on something like a Jade wizard (especially good with your high quantity of heroes- that healing is just too awesome) or perhaps a skink starpriest, and my new favourite tech unit: Sylvaneth Tree Revenants. These can pop up in either a sylvaneth wildwood or 3" from a battlefield edge, and have rend on their combat attacks. Really really nice for supporting your Chamo skinks with a combat unit, and are pretty decent at hunting warmachines Don't forget that the Hurricanum will also add 1 to the casting rolls of all your empire battlemages (including itself), so it would be remiss to pass up using an ability like that a bit more. One last note would be to remember that a Hurricanum is a Hero, so can take an artefact- a Phoenix stone would be amazing, as it keeps you in the highest damage bracket for longer (especially with that Jade mage!). @Killer Angel I really find myself struggling to actually want to use the Eternal Starhost right now, especially as glorified body guards. Mobility and flexibility are absolutely key right now, and the release of the Beastclaw Raiders has rather diminished Guards' survivability. Ironically, I think that the Hurricanum would almost singlehandedly counter the concept you proposed, as it can nice and easily snipe off warmachine crew and then go to work taking chunks out of the surrounding Guard- not to mention that poor Camo Skinks will get mulched if they try and get near your HVT's as the gryph hound will direct a mortal wound bombardment at them. Then you're facing down some rather mobile killy Heroes with your battleline, yikes. Great stuff @Joeg , I look forward to seeing some news on how these perform!
Frankly, without support, i don't see how. Cannons have superior range and i am not going to place my crews within your 28" first turn range. Hurricanum is strong, 2 of them would be a problem, but a single one is not the definitive weapon.
@InfamousBeany List two is indeed one of my favourites also, however I couldn't drop the star seer The re rolls are far to valuable, along with curse of fate. Rerolls on initiative are massive - imagine a double turn with this army! And curse of fate is amazing, I'm thinking on the hurricanum Reroll in that hero phase (failed casting of comet, rerolls damage), the shooting phase - rerolls of the 3d6 for damage - curse of fate here to turn a 5 (d3 damage) into a 6 (d6 damage) The combat phase (if it's in combat) The enemy's hero phase for dispelling The enemy's shooting phase for armour saves (rerolls and potentially +1) Rerolls in combat phase (save or attacks) I could easily drop a hound, but had the 40 points so thought I'd put it in, maybe not worth it with triumph stuff and what not, not sure. Would love to add a jade wizard to the list, but would have to drop likely some chamos - might be worth it, again not sure at the minute. Thanks for all the thoughts / input. I'm going to be using one of these lists this weekend - just trying to figure out which one. I'll post a little write up after tournament this Sunday. J
@Joeg Great points, fully agree with that reasoning. Dropping one unit of Camo skinks and one Gryph hound lets you take a Jade wizard amd a Salamander, but not sure if that is worth the drop in versatility. Tough one! @Killer Angel Hurricanum is absolutely not a definitive weapon, but I cringe internally at the thought of saurus guard being subjected to it. I think the local meta of Beast Claw Riders may be getting to me I may also be biased in that I have never really seen cannons and the like pay off that well. If you're using a bunch of scenery (which the game excels with) or any mobile attackers like camo skinks or Shadowstrike rippers, they tend to be less than satisfactory. May try using some for myself, see how they work. Thats what I love about this game, always something new to test out!