Better than Swedish???

[Dyvim Tvar]

So I've been stuck at home today since my wife is working and somebody needs to watch the 8-year old. I maybe should have spent the afternoon interacting with my daughter more (or maybe painting), but I've been fixated on the Swedish Comp system and how it both intrigues me and ultimately disappoints me.

I think some of the general ideas behind the Swede Comp system are laudable (if you want to play in a comped environment), but I don't like the way it's executed. There are some really big disparities between how similar units are treated across different armies that I don't think are justified in actual practice, and some armies just get off way too light. In particular, in the Swede Comp events I've been to, I have invariably seen Warriors of Chaos armies that are far from soft but that have high Swede Comp scores.

Bottom line, I thought I could do better.

I spent this afternoon working on a system that would work in a similar fashion to Swede Comp, generating a score somewhere between 0 and 20 to rate the relative strength of different armies. I think the biggest failing of the Swede system is that it is tries to be too army-specific, and I see a lot of what I think are unjustified disparities creep in as a result. So, in in contrast to the Swede system, most of the adjustments in my system are generally applicable to all armies (penalties for lots of war machines, number of fast cav units, etc.; bonuses for low levels of magic and shooting, etc.).

I would love some feedback. Here's a Dropbox link to a PDF of the system called (for lack of a better title) "Better Than Swedish". By the way, I don't really mean to cause offense and so I hope nobody takes this the wrong way.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ciipcrnl5inj230/Better%20Than%20Swedish.pdf?dl=0

If you have the chance, please:

1 - Read the document and provide feedback on the general approach of the system.

2 - Apply it to an army list you've run recently and let me know: (a) the point size and race of the army; (b) on a totally subjective scale of 0-20 (with 0 being most competitive and 20 totally non-competitive) and apart from any existing comp system, how hard you consider the list to be; (c) the score you get under the "Better Than Swedish" system; and (d) the score of the list under the current version of Swede Comp if you know it.

 

[Fhanados]

I ran my current arno lord list through Swedish and your better-than-swedish comp lists. Seems like I have a pretty soft list, but I'm not really in a position to say whether or not it's a food army because... well I've never put it on the table.

List Breakdown
Oldblood on Carno with crown and armour of destiny 494
Lvl2 priest with cube 130
Lvl2 priest with scroll 125
Scar vet with Gamblers armour 104
30 Saurus with full command 360
10 skirmishers with blowpipes 70
10 skirmishers with javelins 70
Stegadon (regular) with sharpened horns 235
Stegadon (ancient) with sharpened horns 250
Sally hunting pack with 2 salamanders and 6 skinks 160

Under swedish comp I got a score of 15
Under better-than-swedish comp I got a score of 15

I'll work out comp for my standard slann/TG list when I get the chance and let you know what it works out to.

 

[Madrck]

Swedish looks at punishing abuse within an army book. The same unit has a different value in a different army. Except maybe bolt throwers

Anyway I made a saurus character cav bus with 2 large blocks, a tooled slann, couple sallies and a bunch of skirishers. It was a 10 in swedish and a 3 in your comp system. It's about as strong as I can get without really thinking about marginalizing points ect..
My current list that I'm looking at taking to cancon is a 14.4 or a 13 under Tvar comp.
Slann focus channel combo BSB
Scarvet CO GW AoD
2 scarvet on foot
Chief on ripper with egg
lvl2 priest

33 saurus
3 skirmisher units

6 Krox
22 TG
unit of 2 sallies

I like the approach and with some serious play testing to comp out the lists that abuse the system this could be a really good way of approaching comp. I'd also look at comping per 50 points for a unit over 400 points. Just because the bigger it gets the harder the points are to take(normally). You would also need to attack all the combo's. Like lucky shrunken head in a horde of savage orcs ect.
The trick now is getting a large group of people or even a tourney to use this compaq so you could find out where the holes are.
For a first draft it's pretty sweet and I like the idea behind it.

P.S. Though it burns my tounge to say it, the DE sac dagger should only be -1. The cloak should be -2 maybe even -4 and as somebody that sees it often enough I'd be ok with -10.