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AoS Can I take 3 EOTG in Thunderquake Starhost

Discussion in 'Rules Help' started by tfihsnz, Apr 8, 2019.

  1. tfihsnz
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    tfihsnz New Member

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    Hi im building a 2k list and I was going to put in a Thunderquake Starhost but i dsont quite understand part of it.

    it says to take two of any combo of either Stegadons or Bastilodons

    my question is does an eotg count as a stegadon variant? so can i take 3 eotg or does it have to be bastiladons / pure stagadons because the eotg does have the stagadon key word

    Im building a bit of a meme list with 3 engines and im trying to find a way to reduce the drops in the army
     
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    Crowsfoot Guardian of Paints Staff Member

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    If you look at the requirements it states, 1 Engine of the Gods or Troglodon.

    Engine of the Gods is a leader and is not classed as a Stegadon so you take 1 and then Stegadon/Basilodons for the battalion.

    You can take 3 Engine of the Gods in your army but only one will be subject to the battalion rules.
     
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  3. Canas
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    Canas Ninth Spawning

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    He actually brings up a good point. I just looked at the keywords the EoTG has and it does also have the keyword "stegadon". So technicly a EoTG is indeed a stegadon. Usually the keywords would be leading for these kind of questions, so this is a tad weird.
     
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    Crowsfoot Guardian of Paints Staff Member

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    But the wording of the Battalion says "1 EotG" so you can only have one in the battalion
     
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    Canas Ninth Spawning

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    That'd still technicly leave the option for 1 trog & 2 EoTG's, trog as the leader EOTG's as your 2 stegadons :p

    I don't think there's any other example though where a unit fits in two places for a battalion, and going with the most restrictive option is probably the correct interpretation. God we need some updates for our warscrolls and rephrasing.
     
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    The keywords are not bolded, you must take them with the exact name and not the keyword as a result. So, you can not take three EotGs.
     
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  7. tfihsnz
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    tfihsnz New Member

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    well bugger i was hopefull. but thank you very much. didnt wanna get them rules wrong
     
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  8. ILKAIN
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    ILKAIN Well-Known Member

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    This is the Key part. BOLD text means tagline. Non bold means exact model. this is how Kroak can Summon
     
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  9. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Yep. The non-bold text refers to the name of a warscroll, while the bold one means a keyword.

    Although there are some ability texts on older warscrolls (like the one of the Stegadon's "Skink Alpha" ability ) that don't adhere to that rule strictly.

    The text says: ... the Alpha can give orders to a Skink unit within 8" ...
    The ability would be completely unusable since there is no unit (warscroll) called "Skink", only the keyword "Skink", but it isn't bold here.

    So pick one of these:
    1. they mean only Skinks, then they have to rephrase it to ... the Alpha can give orders to a unit of Skinks within 8" ...
    2. they mean all SKINK keyword units (including the Basti, Rippers, or the Steggy itself), then they have to change it to SKINK unit. Which then is hilarious because it works on all Skink units _except_ regular Skinks, who do no have the SKINK keyword. To be consistent again they would need to either give the Skinks the keyword or declare that a keyword always also means its plural form.

    I cannot understand why that wasn't corrected yet. It was reported to GW multiple times, especially because some cool teleportation+move shenanigans of the Stegadon become possible using it, and people are argueing whether that is intended or not.
    ...or maybe it was clarified and my memory is failing. Again. :D
     
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  10. ILKAIN
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    ILKAIN Well-Known Member

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    don't forget that the Steadfast majesty ability also says SKINKS can re roll battle shock tests with in 5" of any STEGADONS....*eyeroll* clear and consistent as mud
     
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  11. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Yep, so that one is Skinks only. Chameleon Skinks for example don't get that buff.
     
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    Skink Alpha on the other hand can target Steggadons, Chameleon Skinks, ect.
     
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    No, that isn't bold so it isn't the keyword. The ability doesn't work at all if you are really strict.
     
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    Skink Alpha: If a Stegadon is ridden by a Skink Alpha, then in your hero phase the Alpha can give orders to a Skink unit within 8". If that unit is not within 3" of an enemy unit, you can immediately roll a dice and move each of its models up to that many inches. In addition, until your next hero phase, you can re-roll hit rolls of 1 for that unit.

    Steggadon, Chemeleon Skinks, Skinks, ect all have keyword Skink.
     
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  15. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Huh. I just looked it up in the app and it isn't bold.
    Is it bold in the paper Battletome?
     
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    It is bolded on the GW site Warscroll. I will have to check by Battletome at home this evening.

    Though to be be un-bolded it would say "skinks"?
     
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    Yep, that's the weird thing about it if it isn't bold. Because it then would apply to nothing at all.
     
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    wouldn't that mean all SKINKS keyword? of which no one has because the keyword is SKINK?
     
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    It is bolded on the website for sure. like I said... love the clarity and consistency lol
     
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning Staff Member

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    I think the conversation in this thread about that warscroll is enough to illustrate that it is a frikkin' mess. :D

    I checked the printed Battletome and it is bold there, so "Steadfast Majesty" applies only to regular Skinks (although it is bold, but at least Skinks have the Skinks keyword).
    However the word Stegadons is bold, too. And there is no unit with the keyword "Stegadons".... :D

    "Skink Alpha" has the word Skink in bold, so it works for all Skink keyword units, but not for Skinks.

    Huzzah GW!
     
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