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AoS Ranked fighting

Discussion in 'Rules Help' started by IggyStarhost, Apr 11, 2018.

  1. IggyStarhost
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    IggyStarhost Active Member

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    Hi,

    Quick question about the 1 inch range in weapons. At the last tournament I was very sure that models with 1 inch range on the weapons couldnt fight in 2 ranks.
    Although my opponent said that 1 inch is larger than a base of 25mm.

    Knowing an inch is 25,4mm might he be right? Or are the 25mm bases exactly 1 inch?

    He had round bases and didnt push the second rank in between the first rank or so. I personally thought that thats how you could get like 80-90% in range. But when dead straight behind eachother, I though you would be out of range
     
  2. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning

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    Those bases are specified being 25mm and I measured some of them on the market, including GW ones, they are shorter than an inch. I am sure that's intentional.

    On the lowest base size (25mm) the second rank can fight IF the first rank is in base contact with the enemy AND the second rank is in base contact with the first one.
    I love that because you can easily tell without using the measuring tape. You just check base contact yes or no. Even the angle doesn't matter since the straight line is the longest and it works.


    Same works with 2" range melee weapons.

    25mm: Third rank can _just_ hit if base contact
    32mm: Second rank can easily hit, third rank can never hit. (could hit with 3" range though, but there are almost no weapons with 3" range)

    So if models are in base contact you don't have to measure. And if there's a mm or two in between after charging or piling in I just ask (or tell, if it is my turn) about whether that is supposed to be base contact or not. Sometimes the surface of the table doesn't allow doing it in a well measurable way so if a distance is just a few millimeters it is usually about intentions. You rarely get situations in which the 3" pile-in or something fails by a mm.

    Example for not wanting to be in base contact just for illustration: Since piling in doesn't have to be a straight line I sometimes choose for my Skeletons to not be in base contact, because that allows "circle-piling". Sure I miss out on a few attacks then (second rank can still hit because I use spears, but third rank cannot), but I might retain mobility with the blob if the enemy doesn't pile into base contact either.
     
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  3. IggyStarhost
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    Thanks alot! I do have some saurus (temple) guard on their old 25mm base 0:) muhaha
     
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  4. Aginor
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    HARHARHAR! :D
    Ok, seriously though... that will make you "that guy". (that's why tournaments usually insist that current GW base sizes are used, obviously it can skew balance quite a bit).
     
  5. IggyStarhost
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    Haha I know, we have discussed this earlier. Too bad they are on 32mm, but better. Atleast round looks way nicer. Just a waste GW bases are so expensive
     
  6. Aginor
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    When I need bases I get them from a 3rd party, because GW base prices are criminal.
     
  7. IggyStarhost
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    Any tips?
     
  8. Crowsfoot
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    Crowsfoot Guardian of Paints Staff Member

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    Ebay for bases
     
  9. Aginor
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    Aginor Fifth Spawning

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    I get mine from Fantasywelt.de, they are not even half GW's price and look VERY similar.
    If you have them in your hand and look precisely you can tell that the angle of the rim is a tiny bit steeper.
    They come with thin material in the middle so you can easily make a slit if you need one.

    3€ for 20 bases is nice, I based a lot of Skeletons using those.
    For comparison: 10 GW bases 25mm are 4€ I think

    https://www.fantasywelt.de/Infinity-Bases-Round-25mm-20
     
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  10. Ecozh
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    From the Warhammer 40k Ork group. 25cm is below 1 inch yes :)

    (which means that if you want to be 'that guy' in 40 you can fight 4 ranks deep)
    (as within 1" you are in combat (base 1 and 2) and all fighters within 1" of a model in combat can also fight)

    Luckily AoS is a little less free with this ;)
     

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  11. Killer Angel
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    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    Yep, that's one of the few things that GW did really well. ;)
     
  12. pendrake
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    For anyone in the US:
    Reaper Minis has all the sizes/shapes of bases in black plastic.
     
  13. Asamu
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    Midgarth games sells MDF bases of all the correct sizes in bulk for cheap on ebay (50 32mm bases for $7 USD for example). Plastic bases tend to be way more expensive.
     
  14. IggyStarhost
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    I orderd on aliexpress $2 for 40 bases
     
  15. ILKAIN
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    you don't happen to have one of those charts for the other base sizes do you? that was incredibly helpful and id like to put it up at my LGS for the other newer players like myself.
     
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  16. Ecozh
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    I go this from a Ork 40k group. No other diagrams present.

    But at large sizes the "within 1 inch" isn't a thing because base sizes are larger than 1 inch.
     
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