9th Age Discussion of OpenHammer (ETC) and Ninth Age (Swedish Comp)

i will, i'll just need some time because of my job

 

True!

In generally that's what I like about the general concept within our own brainstorming. In that we might eventually start talking about changing other army books, but the main part are the core rules along side what we know best.'
This complete overhauls fails, the the regards of leaving people excited about the changes. If some one simply puts it to their project to nerf army books for reasoning not fully explained, it is going to be difficult getting those people to play. These changing may make our book much better suited, but due to the fact that this is essentially an entirely new game, we can't tell.

Another problem is that we don't really know how much of an understanding about the various armies these guys might have. I mean they could simply not know meta which is considered a know truth in this forum; like kroxigors not being that useful, so nerfing them seems out of place. OR alternatively they could have a very different concept of how the game "Should" be played, than other players; which again makes it difficult to support the system, if you don't particularly agrees with them.

Better go the way of slightly increasing and decreasing points of each army book and changing a few core mechanics.

 

@The Sauric Ace thats the thing the ETC crowd should be informed on all armies and the most popular metas, since a lot of tounaments were played according to their rules. The most popular and dominant lizzie etc army is the skink cloud, so it would make no sense if they nerfed anything but the skinks...

I need to make myslef clear, I am not defending anyone in advance before I try it out, for all I know this could be crap...All im saying is that in these turbulent times, when there is no undisputable authority, like GW was,we have to be patient and try things out before giving them a true estimate...

@Pinktaco I agree with everything you said...thats just it.. On the other hand if kroxies get impact hits, espesialy the way ogres have it, its a big deal, believe me I play ogres

 

True, and a whole lot of other great points.
The notion of having as many players both from the army and from various of opposing armies is a really great thing to allow for, when creating a 8.1 system. It is as you said, people have different views on what's working and what's unbalanced.

And if you never actually bother talking to the people playing the army, you don't actually know why they like playing the army in the first way; this is essentially the worst thing about such a new compendium. Is there something that the players of the army finds really exciting about the army, that noneplayers just wouldn't see, what if this is then for no reason pull out of the book, simply because they rather balance the army otherwise.
All armies needs something unique about them, something should be less priced because that army is suppose to excel in that regard. Of course this still needs to be balanced, but my point still stands

I too feel as they need a shot, so I won't complain about anything before I actually see a more concrete compendium that is fully made out. This is very early and and haven't seen other army books, I also don't know how this game will play. However the issue is, that with all these changes, does these guys?

 

Just reading the open hammer general rules for significant changes.

D. 1.12.2 .... The general can't be BSB.
R 12.1 characters only can join units of same type
R 12.2 max 2 characters can John a unit

 

not a fan of their general method
nerfing all armies and reducing options
until they are roughly equal.

How about instead we give every
community the army they deserved (buffed) & FAQ answered.
and just fix the most obvious flaws in the BRB?

 

i like the idea of separate deamons, and weaker demon princes, the number 25 restriction on elite units and 2 characters max is a dethstar solution, the initiative system gives charges more meaning, those aro pro-s so far...

dont like the point increase on croxigors, but i like impact hits (strgh 5 is nice), i dont like that you have to choose betwen a slan and an old blood, that means we will never see an old blood on the field....waiting for more info...

 

I feel like that was one of the more annoying facts about the 8th edition, too little variations in the armies. But that wasn't really that bad once I got to try it.
I should have learned then, not to judge these streamlined rules, where everything ought to be the same. That's not the vibe I'm getting here though; I do think a lot of these changes seems odd, out of place or not really balancing the system, just changing it...

Why are saurus warriors still as bad a fighter, but more scared? Is that suppose to balance, what exactly? The fact that they performed generally poorly in battle and now they'll also flee much more often?

Okay I Said I Wasn't going to judge, and now I totally am

 

@The Sauric Ace the problem is nobody knows until enough play test games are done, and only the bige communities can effectively achieve that for all armies...

@Pinktaco Shure but ewen Ogres get d3 only if they charge roll is 10 or more,and strgth 5 is really nice...

 

Horrible... 5 points INCREASE for impact hit (1). Leadership 6!??!

Saurus leadership has dropped as well.

Without seeing the changes to the BRB (which could make a huge difference), I'm not at all impressed thus far. Nothing here so far to get me to abandon 8th edition proper.

I have a feeling that this will only fragment our already dwindling community further.

 

@Pinktaco my thoughts exactly, this feels very non - lizardmen players choosing for the lizardmens part :/