AoS Fixing Serephon

we might have to make him more expensive i was spit balling his price

 

Has anyone commented on here about how maybe since Seraphon units have the Daemon keyword in their warscroll that maybe GW should make or use rules from the Chaos Daemons so that in some capacity they actually do something with that little lore tid bit. Thoughts?

 

sort of we are easy to summon have bravery 10 and we gave the entire army -1 rend reduction to show the ethereal nature of our troops

 

Out of curiosity, how exactly is the army-wide -1 rend reduction supposed to interact with saurus and skink shields' ability of ignoring rend values of less than 2? If it's the army ability first, this effectively means that the only way to rend them is with a -3 Rend weapon. Otherwise, the shield ability is worthless.

 

the alliance ability has taken over for the shield ability and the shields ability has been replaced with a 6+ shrug

 

I am open to a rework, but more testing would need to be done.
Ive dome a 1v1 Oldblood on carnosaur against a zombie dragon and the Oldblood wiped the floor with the zombie dragon

 

well he is a monster hunter. did you have a vampire on him? if you have them both hit a 10 man they do about the same damage the carnasaur does more to monsters and the VLoZD heals and can fly and has spells. i think that a good price for him would be 320 i've been doing a mass comparisen between units and that seems to be where the numbers are for a non flying hero moster that hits this hard.
ill have more price adjustments soon it's just a really big job.

 

heck im just going to release it piece meal saurus first
we have already been over warriors and knights they are good at 110 and 150
but ive been looking over guard and comparing them to the latest books and you can get 10 Great swords, Phoenix Guard for 160 and iron breakers for 130 all of these do far more damage and are just as durable as guard. comparing them to ard boys they have very close stat lines at 5 for 90 so i think we should drop saurus guard to 100 for 5.

 

razordons and salamanders need to go up to 70/180 now that their range problems are solved and they get handlers by default. this is a bit shaky the only one that i could find to compair was ratling guns

 

Sounds good, I am on translations in the points

 

What's everyone's idea on new units and battalion?

*Obligatory I have no idea how to stat units or come up with battalion abilities*

My thoughts were having a battalion that focuses on Kroxigor and Skinks. I was thinking something like this
* 2-5 units of Skinks/Red Crested Skinks/Chameleon Skinks
* 1-3 units of Kroxigor
* 1 of either an Ancient Kroxigor or a Skink Cheifton

Which would bring me to the next part, new units. My thoughts for them would be the following

Red Crested Skinks:
Melee focused unit of skinks with 2 handed weapons
1 wound
5+ save
Bravery 10
Move 8in
2in 2/4/4/-/1
On a wound of 6 does a mortal wound
(+ all other base skink abilities)
Battleline if a Skink is the general
80pts for 10

Skink Chief
3 different builds that would reflect the 3 different kinds of skinks
Shared Stats
Wounds 5
Move 8in
Save 4+
Bravery 10

Command Ability
Choose between using this ability in either the Shooting or Combat phase. Pick a friendly Skink/Skinks unit within 8 inches, that unit can either shoot or fight again, at the end of combat.

Ranged Build (Chameleon Chief)
20in 6/3/3/-2/2 missle
1in 2/3/4/-/1 melee
On a 6+ to hit, causes 1d3 mortal wounds and the attack sequence ends (missle weapon only)

Mixed Build (Normal Skink Chief)
16in 4/4/3/-1/2 missle
1in 4/3/3/-1/1 melee
Hit rolls of 6+ generate 1 extra wound roll

Melee Build (Red Crested Cheif)
2in 6/3/3/-1/2 melee
Hit rolls of 6+ cause 1d3 mortal wounds and the attack sequence ends.
Wound rolls of 6+ have rend -3

I wanna say something like 100-120pts for them?

Ancient Kroxigor
8 wounds
3+ save
8in move
10 Bravery

Great Kroxigor Hammer
3in 6/3/2/-2/3
Bite
2in 4/3/3/-2/1d3

Abilities

abilities
- Ancient Kroxigor ignores wounds and mortal wounds on a 5+
- Heals 1d3 wounds in the Hero Phase
- Skinks and Kroxigor units within 10inches can reroll hit rolls of 1
- Kroxigor Units within 6 inches gain a 5+ save to ignore wounds

Command ability
When used, all Kroxigor units within 24 inches heal 1 wound, and gain +1 rend and +1 attack on all weapons.
Can only be used once per turn
Say something like 240-300pts?

Like I said before, I have no idea how to balance anything. But I hope the whole idea of each unit is there, and I wish we had a battalion that focused on Kroxigar and Skinks.

 

your command abilitiy is hillariously overpowered. as it can stack healing your and ancient kroxigor back up from the brink of death and giving them a load of attacks which are guaranteed to cut through saves (unless your playing against the nighthaunt). Admittadly you're only going to do that once per turn. But still, quite hilarious to suddenly pump out unsaveable attacks.

Imho, kroxigor's need a hero & some battalions that they actually fit in (and some synergy with the rest of our army they're currently not affected by anything we really have...)

Skinks don't really need a new unit, cool as red crested skinks may be. They mostly just need to give regular skinks the ability to actually hit an opponent so they're a vaguely relevant threat. Give them the skink handler's eyepoking ability and you've probably done enough. Also again, give them some synergy & some battalions that actually do something (yes they're a part of shadowstrike, but ultimatly the skinks themselves don't care super much about the battalion)

 

Like I said, i dont know balance or how i would do all of that, all that well, however I did mean for that Command ability to only be used once per turn (edited now). But thanks for the input. It's much appreciated

 

battalions where adresed on page 13 here is what we came up with

battalions


sunclaw starhost: requirements sunblood 2-6 units of saurus warriors 120 points

memory of furry: saurus warriors gain 6s to hit generate an extra attack 6s to wound cause 2 damage


eternal starhost: requirements warden 2-6 units of guard 160 points

memory of defiance: temple guard can pile in upon death

memory of chekax: the wardens shrug increases to 4+ as time bends around him as with Chekax of old

memory of bulwarks: the temple guards shrug increases to 5+


firelance starhost: requirements carnosaur of any variant and 2-6 units of knights 120 points

memory of the rush: 6s to hit become mortal wounds on the charge the units can retreat and charge in the same turn.


Shadowstrike Starhost this one is fine replace skink hero with storm priest


thunder quake starhost: requirements 1 behemoth hero unit any 2-8 of the following stegadon, bastiladon 120 points

memory of the herd: behemoth units in this battalion count as battle line

memory of resilience: units from this battalion can reroll saves when wholly within 6" of the hero or 6" of 2 other units from this battalion. at the start of your hero phase heal 1 wound per model


soteks star host: requirements 1 troglodon 0-3 of either skink priest or starpriest 2-8 skinks 0-4 chameleon skinks 1-3 kroxigor 140 points

memory of the jungle: a 12" around the troglodon counts as cover for the battalion as phantom trees are called into being

memory of zealots: skinks gain 2" range to their melee weapons as there weapons change to halberds and there crests change to bright red


pack hunter star host requirements 2-8 of either of the following razordon salamanders maybe a hero im running out of options lets go with the star seer because of his history with salamanders.

memory of the hunt: units can run or retreat and still shoot and gain -1 to be hit in the shooting phase 100 points

i do really love your idea for a ancient Kroxigoar ill see what i can put together

 

as requested by Lustrian Giant
Ancient Kroxigor cultist of nakai 160-180
8 wounds
3+ save
8" move
10 Bravery

a Ancient Kroxigor can be armed with either a threshing maul or god touched gauntlets he makes attacks with his crushing jaws

threshing maul 3 2" 3/4/-1/2
godtouched gauntlets 6 1" 3/2/-1/2
crushing jaws 2 1" 3/*/*/*

threshing maul: a relic from a time when he did not know war a threshing maul is not a tool made for killing but to clear forests any units hit with a threshing maul is nocked off balance and takes -1 to wound rolls
vice like jaws:hits with crushing jaws do a mortal wound if an attack made by the jaws has a hit roll of 5+ or higher, it instead inflicts d3 mortal wounds.
star touched: 6 +shrug

prayer: 4+ all kroxigor units within 6" get +2 to charge roles

command ability
eternal wanderers: like the first of their order these heros have a tendency to disappear into the jungle and re-appear where most needed

when you use this command ability remove this hero and up to 2 kroxigor units within 6" from the board at the end of your movement phase they can be placed within 6" of any board edge and out side of 9" of any enemy models.

keywords kroxigor, hero, skink, priest, order, seraphon, deamon

 

Your command ability ends midsentence.

Also the gauntlets seem vastly more usefull than the maul. The potential debuff of -1 to wound is of course usefull and quite unique. But whenever he doesn't fight first it seems pointless. Though I do now see you didn't explain how long the debuff lasts. You should specify that.

Also, he has a prayer? Seems odd. Isn't the average kroxigor far too stupid to be a priest?

 

im not sher what you meen as far as command ability whats unclear its a board edge teleport

your right with all the activation wars out there lets say your next hero phase and if you're clever you can hit multiple units

most kroxigor have unshakable faith in there skink frends and the gods that make them. also the oldest ones like nakai seem to get smarter with age. you don't have to be a genius to be a preist like you do to be a mage you just need to know how to pray

 

For some reason the sentence was cut off halfway on my screen. It appeared as
"when you use this command ability remove this hero and up to 2 kroxigor units within 6" from the board at the end"

When I just selected it to copy it, the remaining bit suddenly popped up for some reason though.

Meh, I suspect it's still going to be on the weaker side. But at least this way it's guaranteed to actually achieve something.

Still, generally a priest leads his followers in prayer. Requires a bit more than the usual player. Ah well, could work with some extra fluff I guess. The ancient ones are definitly revered enough for it I guess.

 

remember that korn has priests that pray by killing things and kroxigore worship sotek

 

Well yeah, but those priests do actually know the correct rituals and stuff

This is more like saying a korgorath is a priest. Which is a tad odd. But it can work. Especially if the more ancient kroxigor become smarter.