AoS Engine of the gods rule

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  1. Stega
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    Hi guys,

    Is the engine of the gods rule that if you have 2 engine of the gods you can make 2 rolls, or if you have 2 models you can only make one roll?
    I'm english and live in spain and I'm trying to explain the rule to the Spanish people here but they have read the rule differently to me.

    Any help?
     
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  2. Erta Wanderer
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    unfortunately you only get to use it one even if you bring more then one EotG
     
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    wait, are you sure?

    the rule says "At the start of your shooting phase, you can make 1 cosmic engine roll for 1 model with this ability"
    I'll grant you that the rule doesn't say "1 roll for each model with this ability", but it seems a harsh reading of the rule.
     
  4. Nart
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    You can still lauch more then one, if you use Thunder Lizard's command ability.

    EDIT: Magically, when I read the ability once more, it is crystal-clear to me, that the ability only restricts singe engine for single roll. It is not for "single" model, it is for "one" model.
     
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  5. Erta Wanderer
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    very sure. harsh reading has continual been the right ruling with our new book and i don't know why they would mention one model if it wasn't just one time. all other abilities like this say each and i think it was a over reaction to us taking a bunch of them. they don't want us bringing in 10+ warriors every turn or healing 3d3
     
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    When GW wants to limit that kind of abilities say "any XXX" like the astrolith bearer. I am agree with killer angel
     
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    that is when it's talking about auras not triggered abilities. triggered abilities don't make a distinction they just say this model or any model never 1 model
     
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    I showed the wording to my group, and everyone agreed that it is one roll per every model. Not that it is helpful to me, since I have only one and don't plan on getting any more. But bringing 4 EotGs now doesn't seem like a bad idea, especially in thunder lizard.
     
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    why would they say that though abilities are always 1 per model
     
  10. Stega
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    This definitely needs to be FAQ'd because so many people are unsure of what it actually is
     
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    Well, I just asked a question, if it is once per phase or once per model. And they answered, that it is once per model, because it is RAW. I don't think, that I can participate, since I am not a native speaker. But when I translate it on my native language, it sounds like "per model". I know, that it is not how it works, so I want to see what you decide here, guys.

    But we really need FAQ 2.0. Maybe, we'll get it after GHB?
     
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    Yeah we can have a single model that deals 29 attacks at 2+, but god forbids us if we pay 500 pts to heal 2d3 wounds...
    Really GW doesn't know how its own game works.
     
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  13. Stega
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    I think the key word is 'for'. If it was one roll 'per' one model with this ability then it would be every model. But as it is one roll for one model it makes sense to me that you can only do it with one model even if you have two minis. Otherwise why would they write the rules like that?
     
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    God knows, why. What we must decide is how it is RAW. Even GW themselves recommend us to do it this way. We cannot guess their intentions, after all.
     
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    I checked the German warscroll and it is pretty unambiguous that you can roll only for one model with this ability.
     
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    Could you share a screenshot of the "unofficial answer"?
     
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    I doubt, that it would be helpful, but here it is.

    The translation in short:

    Me: Here's the wording. Can I only use [this] ability once per phase even if you have more than one EotG?

    Guy 1: Looks like it.

    Guy 2: I guess, you can roll for every model once.

    Guy 1: Oh, wait. You can make 1 roll for 1 model with this ability. English is hard. I think, 1 roll, regardless of number of Engines. Wasn't that FAQed?

    Guy 3: I think, that each model can use it, but GW failed at wording. Enrapturess and Thanquol had the same problem, were FAQed several times and still have bad wording on them too.

    Guy 4 (who is an org): One roll per model.

    Guys 5 (who is also and org): One roll per one model with this ability, I think.
     

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    Yeah, it's basically "it seems that..." :p
     
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    I think the wording is very clear, one roll period.

    "At the start of your shooting phase, you can make 1 cosmic roll for 1 model with this ability."

    that's blatantly 1 model.
     
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    I asked this in my FAQ emails, and GW has yet to answer this. Its not readily apparent.

    In C-TL, it's a very powerful ability to use multiple times via the command ability. If near a Slann, you have the potential to bring on 40 (3 Engines, 1 use for all Engine+3 uses of the CA), to 60 saurus Warriors in a turn (3 Engines using the ability each, then 3 CA).

    Otherwise, it feels very poor to only have it usable once. Like @Erta Wanderer has said, the EotG was nerfed fairly hard in the transition, but if each Engine can use the ability, there is potential for support use.
     
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