Poll: LOTR - Choose 2 to protect you, the rest will try to kill you

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by NIGHTBRINGER, Sep 17, 2024 at 5:05 AM.

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Choose TWO to protect you. The REST will try to kill you.

  1. Samwise Gamgee

  2. Gimli

  3. Legolas

  4. Boromir

  5. Aragorn

  6. Éomer

  7. Faramir

  8. Éowyn

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  1. NIGHTBRINGER
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    Rules:
    • each character is equipped with their normal battle equipment loadout (armour, weapons, etc.)
    • no one is in possession of the one ring, it does not play a part
    • no mounts
    • the characters tasked to protect you will stop at nothing to do so, (they will together)
    • the characters tasked to kill you will stop at nothing to do so, (they will together)
    • the scenario takes place in middle earth (imagine the scenario playing out hundreds of times, with different randomized starting points)
    • no other characters from the series take part. So no allegiances, subordinates, allies, etc. It's 6 vs 2 + you.
    • you are provided basic arms and armor. Perfectly serviceable but nothing fancy.
    • no shenanigans, don't try to skirt the rules or find "loopholes"!

    Personally I think two of the choices easily stand out from the rest, but I'm curious to see if others feel differently.

    Vote and discuss!!
     
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  2. Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl
    Slann

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    I'm pretty sure which two those choices are, though one of them I would debate, as a certain special sword he wields only comes into his possession in the second half of Return of the King, so technically isn't part of his 'normal battle equipment'.

    With this in mind, I've gone with Legolas (obviously) and Master Dwarf himself, Gimli. Not only are they the two most long-lived and experienced of the characters up there, but they're each also constantly vying to kill more than the other, which will make them both fight all the harder!
     
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  3. Killer Angel
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    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    Are your 2 choices Legolas & Aragorn? because those are mine, hands down. ;)
     
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  4. NIGHTBRINGER
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    I think the sword is inconsequential. He is essentially just as good with or without it. What does the sword actually do throughout the films?...
    • the weapon was used to sever Sauron's fingers. A critical event, but I never got the impression that this sword was somehow uniquely capable of performing the feat
    • allows Aragorn to gain command of the ghost army [which is inconsequential because the scenario rules forbid allegiances or help from other characters]
    It's a finely made sword, but I don't recall it ever granting Aragorn any sort of magical combat advantages.

    You are correct good sir.

    Legolas is very obviously the top choice and I think Aragorn is easily the next best choice.
     
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    I'd love to know why... from what I can see he's pretty average apart from being blessed with plot armour a couple of times (the fall from the cliff for example). He's still a human, even if he's a long-lived one, so doesn't have Gimli's age, experience or natural toughness, and Gimli also wears finely-crafted Dwarf armour where Aragorn does not. And there's no long-distance running involved so he can't beat Gimli that way :p
     
  6. NIGHTBRINGER
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    Okay, we've got 8 to choose from, but Legolas is already my top choice, so that leaves us with 7. I think we can eliminate Samwise and Éowyn. While both have some great moments (and I consider Sam to be one of the key heroes of the trilogy), neither of them are trained warriors. I would not fancy their chances against the rest of the field. So that's two more down, 5 to choose from. Next, which of the other three humans are we going to put above Aragorn? Aragorn is simply a better version of Boromir, Éomer or Faramir in just about every way. He is one of the primary heroes of the film. I could break it down further, but looking at the voting results, it seems like none of those three are being considered above him. So three more down, which leaves us with Gimli versus Aragorn, which we'll touch on below...

    How did you watch those films and somehow manage to leave with the opinion that Aragorn is average? He is very far from average. He is straight up one of the very best fighters, defeating many enemies throughout the trilogy. He is also very smart and a natural leader (despite not wanting to be king in the movies). He's a great tracker. He's resilient. etc. etc.

    So? It's not like the Dwarfs are some unstoppable force in LOTR, let alone in the Hobbit (where many of the party are kind of goofy). The human race in LOTR is pretty powerful, with powerful cities, armies and major victories. Outside of Gimli, the Dwarfs are either hiding away or dead. The humans, despite needing help, do step up and are instrumental in winning the day.

    Gimili is older, but that doesn't necessarily make him better, especially in terms of combat. There is a reason why there are more UFC champions in their 20's and 30's than in their 40's or beyond. As for experience, I'd have to leave that to someone more versed in the Tolkien world. Gimli has had more years of experience, but I'm not sure about the variety of experience. Outside of the films, what has each one done, seen and taken part in? I genuinely do not know, so I can't compare their level of experience. However, for all his experience, Gimli is usually just the tag along; while Aragorn and Legolas lead the way (in the absence of Gandalf of course).

    As for toughness, sure that is a fair point in favour of Gimli. However, Aragorn is superior in terms of agility, speed, endurance, reach, leadership qualities and intelligence. A pretty good trade.

    I'm not sure how great that disparity in quality is in the LOTR universe. From the films, at least visually, they don't seem that drastically different from one another. It is the Elven kit that is continually portrayed to be the best gear.

    There could be situations where long distance running might come in handy. The scenario begins at random starting positions. I can imagine scenarios where it might be advantageous to run to a superior position or out of a really poor one. Remember it is 6 vs 2 + you, an advantageous position is likely a necessity for any chance of survival. Also, if you are separated from the pack with either Aragorn or Gimli trying to chase you down, you might be able to outrun Gimli (depending on your fitness and athletic level). Aragorn as your enemy, would be far more dangerous in that situation.


    Overall though, and let's break the fourth wall, Aragorn is one of the central heroic characters of the saga while Gimli is the comedic relief. We get a good laugh out of his goofy actions, decisions and shortcomings (pun intended). He's a great character, but if my life is on the line, the "funny character" is hardly going to be my first (or second) choice. Going by the movies, visually, Aragorn in my eye comes off as the superior combatant. He is also a better strategist and leader. I'm not trying to sell Gimli short ;), he does prove to be a very good fighter and a valiant ally, but Aragorn is the better choice across nearly every metric that matters.
     
  7. Scalenex
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    Samwise is the one with the best track record for protection though I doubt that's replicable.

    But we are not really talking about protection. We are talking about killing. I think I'd have to go with Gimili And Legolas though I believe I'd still die.

    The Gimili and Legolas combination means most of the others will be dead too.
     
  8. Killer Angel
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    Leaving aside what has been said by @NIGHTBRINGER...
    Why should Aragorn face Gimli?
    I'd gladly put Aragorn against another opponent, while gimli serves as slow-moving pincushion for Legolas' arrows.
    And you are not going to take aragorn by surprise.
     
  9. Killer Angel
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    I could offer a different reasoning.

    Let's say that you are going to hire someone from that list, to kill a target defended by Legolas.
    Do you think Gimli stands any chance?
    Aragorn is the only one that's sneaky enough to effectively ambush Legolas.
     
  10. Scalenex
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    That's a solid point. I guess I'm stuck between Legolas and Gimili or Legolas and Aragorn.
     
  11. NIGHTBRINGER
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    Curious, what are the advantages do you believe choosing Gimli has over choosing Aragorn?
     

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