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  1. Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl
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    I also thought they were weird-looking beardless Chaos Dwarfs to begin with, which indeed sounded a heretical idea... then I noticed the Warhammer Underworlds Warband with a couple in and they were given female names, so yes, they are indeed female Dawi-Zharr. I think the best way to remember that is that they tend to have smaller noses and teeth and plumper cheeks than their male counterparts, who have longer, crooked noses, their tusk teeth and their more chiselled faces (plus their beards of course).

    Doesn't make them look much better of course, but to be fair, with males that are on the fearsome side, their females weren't exactly going to be pretty, were they?

    Nope, Tomb Kings were one of the first to get their Journal alongside Bretonnia back at the beginning of last year. This new one is a Tomb King-themed campaign book with a few more extra rules in for the army.
     
  2. Just A Skink
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    I can see that, as have others. Personally, I think the green glows and green flames tend to look more like Skaven.
     
  3. ChapterAquila92
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    Second, last I recall. They along with the funny horse people were the first two factions to get their arcane journals.
     
  4. Canas
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    Canas Ninth Spawning

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    Skaven magic has a similar light green colour as it glows in a similar manner. And there's some undead paintjobs that use the same colours for their magic as well.

    But skaven technology tends to be a bit darker green since those are mostly the warpstone crystal bits. The darker colour makes their technology look a bit more primitive cuz it doesn't glow as much as the futuristic Necron or Chaos dwarf weapons, which have a much lighter "glowing" green on their weapons.
     
  5. NIGHTBRINGER
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  6. NIGHTBRINGER
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    Were they really needed? If you're going to make female Chaos Dwarfs, make them look female. They don't have to be pretty, but we shouldn't have to be piecing clue together based on their names to figure out what they are (not to diminish the good detective work on your part). It just doesn't feel like something that was spawned organically for the purposes of creativity but rather a lame checkbox on some "representation" initiative. Is this the case with all AoS factions now?


    I thought so, but I started second guessing myself. Does this mean that this is another "essential" book required to field the Tomb Kings in TOW? The campaign rules seem rather optional, but additional unit rules appear to be sort of important.
     
  7. J.Logan
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    J.Logan Well-Known Member

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    I think, right now at any rate, the glorious scaly kin do not have gratuitous representation in their model range... Though the background detail of at least one skink going around using female pronouns does exist. So, maybe we do have female representation in our model range. And they look identical to the male range, so it makes absolutely no difference if they are or not. :p

    *Ponder Pose Activate*

    Considering GeeDubs are trying to get people to use their app (and I freely acknowledge I have no idea if they have Old World on their app), then probably not ESSENTIAL essential... Part of me is wondering if this new AJ will be a straight "replacement" and include the rules for the models that we already have, just excluding the Armies of Infamy that were in the first one.

    I speak from knowing that the Spearhead rulebook Sand and Bone has all the core rules that were included in Jade and Fire, making it a straight replacement, unless you want to use the older spearheads.

    Core units are "core rules" so to speak, so same thing? Maybe? I dunno, I'm waffling on...
     
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  8. NIGHTBRINGER
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    NIGHTBRINGER Second Spawning

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    You're just joking right?... right?


    I always assumed that the Lizards were genderless and that their spawning pools were magical in nature. Then again, I'm hardly Mr. Lore Guy.
     
  9. J.Logan
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    J.Logan Well-Known Member

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    Direct quote from Soulbound: Stars and Scales:


    I'd say that being from an RPG spinoff would make the canon of that questionable, but GeeDubs have a history of using the RPG's as natural expansions of the fluff.

    It's fine, they are. The impression I get it's its just a personal choice what they decide to go by. I was joking that, with that logic, there is no reason for anybody to not be able to say one lizardman model is a female or not.

    I imagine that in their own language, they don't actually have separate pronouns for genders because of their lack. It's purely a warmblood quirk that they shrug and roll with on occasion.
     
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  10. WildColonial Boy
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    Chaos Dwarfs?
    I think not!
    As a long term Dawi Zharr officianado from the 80's I was hoping for something even half decent. Its so hard to get anything CD I'm willing to accept anything, however.....
    What a bloody disappointment!!! Poor excuses for beards. Tiny fangs. Where are the big hats? Bull centaurs look awful. And did Picasso design the great Taurus? Very cubist and almost blasphemous. And what the hell are those blunderbusses? Are they 40K or Necromunda?
    Even though for AOS I would have purchased some to expand my army and use them for TOW, but my money is safe.
    Whoever is doing the designing for GW has absolutely no idea!
     
  11. NIGHTBRINGER
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    I'm so glad GW can't do this to my beloved 8th edition WHFB. While I didn't realize it at the time, the End Times came about just at the right time.
     
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    He has a big hat...

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  13. NIGHTBRINGER
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    What is up with these? Talk about some really butt-ugly models. I'm usually quite fond of Warhammer Underworlds warband models, but this one's gotta be a no from me dawg. :wtf:

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    What poor unfortunate souls they must be to put up with the taskmaster in the middle.
     
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    Absolutely yes, Forge World remains the undisputed leader if you look at CD


    mine too! great model
     
  16. Killer Angel
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    what a horrible bunch of models...
     
  17. NIGHTBRINGER
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    The Blood Bowl team is pretty awesome, but the Forge World range reigns supreme. The only thing I like as much as the Forge World range are the three Chaos Dwarf Hellcannon handlers. Impressively, they are old models, 6th edition I believe. The Hellcannon was my first foray into the world of the Chaos Dwarfs. It all started there.

    Truly terrible... and surprisingly so. It wasn't all that long ago that GW released the CD Blood Bowl line, which are great, so they really should have done better with these guys.
     
  18. Canas
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    I mean, it's a fantasy race. The gender distinction can be whatever the author says it is.
    Aside from that, they all wear big bulky armour & they;re all short and squat. The beard is really the only thing that can even be used for something like this, since other details are just not really going to be visible.

    And yeah, most races now seems to get a mix of such models, which is fine in itself, but occasionally the distinction just looks silly and is rather superficial. Especially when it's a heavily armoured faction like the chaos dwarfs, as that limits what details you can actually put in.


    Aren't there multiple bits of fluff at some point where GW said that skink diplomats send to the various Order races choose a gender simply to make diplomacy easier? Similar to how they adopt other quirks to fit in with the target race. And that some quirks they originally adopted for the sake of diplomacy would eventually stick if they served for long enough.

    More broadly speaking they start as a blank slate, but eventually develop a personality based on who they interact with.


    They definitly aren't pretty, but it is consistent with how the chaos dwarfs have been shown throughout AoS so far.
     
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    And therein lies the problem. They don't have sufficient aesthetic elements at their disposal to land the effect. Consequently, the end result is that the models do not effectively convey that these are female Chaos Dwarf models. They could just as easily be male Chaos Dwarf models without beards or as some have suggested, strange looking orc like models. They are ambiguous and end up looking a bit off.

    Chaos Dwarfs have a few signature aesthetic features, and chief among them are their beards. Removing that visual marker is risky. If they really wanted female Chaos Dwarfs they should have provided the models with additional features to really drive home the effect.

    That said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If enough people like the models, then good on them. Personally though, I think the female models sort of miss the mark. They look more like blasphemous male beardless Chaos Dwarfs, which is akin to heresy.

    Which is why it should be considered on a case by case basis rather than blindly across the board. Go with what works visually. It's okay to have mixed gendered units, but it is equally okay to have all male units or all female units. Sometimes one makes more sense than the other.


    I think the mainline AoS ones are better. These are the worst of the bunch.
     

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