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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by NIGHTBRINGER, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. NIGHTBRINGER
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    Avatar is an example of a movie that made substantial money many weeks after its opening. Its opening weekend was not proportional to the massive financial success it turned out to be. Strong word of mouth ensured that the drop off from week to week was exceptionally low. As you say though, it is an exceptionally rare phenomenon.
     
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    And word of mouth from the few people who have seen the new Charlies Angels movie typically includes the words such as "boring" "laughless" and "joyless."

    There was a theory that the bigwigs knew that they had a box office dud on theirs hands, so they drastically cut the marketing budget. Supposedly it's only $50 million. Under ideal circumstances, the movie might make $50 million if the "no publicity such thing as bad publicity" principle holds true. In which case all the entertainment media sites talking about Charlie's Angels bombing causes people to see the movie out of curiosity.

    Supposedly the movie cost $48 million to make. So that's $98 million counting marketing.

    The movie is not going to make $98 million dollar. Opening week, counting international box office returns the movie is estimated to have brought in $32 million gross. But that's the gross before the movie theaters get their cut and the distributors get their cut and in China, the CCP officials involved in movies get a bribe, and there is the literal cost of the film reels and who knows what else.

    Even if the movie somehow brings Sony Studios $98 millions, it's still a failure because about half of the budget was spent in 2015 and it's now 2019.

    If a reasonable person fronts money and gets it back in four years, a reasonable person wants interest. The movie would need to make Sony about $120 to $140 million in order for Sony to consider the film breaking even in real financial terms.

    Another fun fact. Each movie, each studio, and each theater is slightly different but on average a movie theater gets to get about 20-25% of the box office ticket sales during opening week. The rest goes to the studio. A movie that has been out for three or four weeks, the movie theater gets to keep about 70-80% of the ticket sales with the remainder going to the studio.

    In a lot of cases, your local movie theater operates at a loss on opening week if nobody buys popcorn and soda.

    That all means if you are the movie studio, you make a lot more money from $1 in the first week than a $1 in the third week.

    Even if the word of mouth for Charlies Angels is really postive and a bunch of people go see the movie later, Sony will only get a fraction of that box office total.

    For Sony to make $120 million or so, the movie will probably have to gross about $400 million at this point. That means four or five times more people need to see the movie. Not even Avatar rebounded like that.

    Some cult classics find a big fan base in DVD/Blue Ray sales. That gets dicey because by the time a movie gets on blue-ray a different company might own the video distribution rights. Also, in the age of streaming and redbox, blue ray sales are falling.

    I doubt Netflix would pay more than a few million for streaming rights. It is unlikely that a streaming service other than Netflix would bother to stream Charlie's Angels (2019) because Netflix seems to be the favorite stomping ground for Sony's intellectual property.
     
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    Wise words for those that care to listen...


     
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    95% agree there.

    I disagree with the part where he seems to claim that people should do this only for themselves and not for others. Which I think is weird to say as a black man in the USA. Without people like Dr. King and Rosa Parks who did (rightly) see not only themselves but a whole ethnic group as a victim and worked toward changing that he probably wouldn't be in the position he is now.
     
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    Yes, but I believe he is speaking in a modern day context and although unstated, its safe to assume a modern day first world context. With that said, he did acknowledge that there are people that are genuine victims.

    I admire his mindset.
     
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    Scale creep?
     
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    I see this and all i can think is "OMG the Rock is wearing a Exodus t-shirt!"
     
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    To summarize. Marvel's Runaways is closing after it's third season which is supposedly a natural end.

    -It's probably getting cancelled because season 2's viewership was not great. Possibly because Marvel TV series in general are on the decline. Maybe superhero shows in general are on the decline, the CW DC shows are not doing great.

    Here is my take on Marvel shows

    Daredevil: Great
    Luke Cage: Good
    Jessica Jones: Okay
    Ironfist: Dumpster fire

    Runaways: Intriguing

    Agents of Shield: Good, but each new season is slightly less good than the one that came before it.


    That said. I really like Marvel's Runaways. It's not my favorite show, but it is very unique. Like Joker (2019). Okay it's not the cinematic masterpiece that Joker (2019) is but it is a series that stands out as different in a sea of safe shows uses tried and true formulas.

    Runaways is also a piece of media that covers social issues and it does so in a way that doesn't annoy me.
     
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    I haven't seen the other shows you mentioned, but fully agree here.
     
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    I just want my Dogs of War army back. Pikes and Crossbows and mercs, oh my!
     
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