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I'm not sure how read up you are on the production of this latest iteration of Bond, but with what we know from other sources, the video's criticisms are spot on. I can tell you this much, if you're goal is to make a successful Bond movie, the last thing you want to do is bring in a Feminist writer to work on it. Talk about not understanding the franchise and the target audience.

Rather than debate with you back and forth, how about we let history decide? I think this is going to be a dumpster fire and it will lose money [Get Woke, Go Broke]. If I am wrong, I will admit as much and if I'm right, I'll probably gloat a great deal!

Maybe I'm just overconfident coming off of the success of Joker and the abysmal failures of Terminator Woke Fate and Charlie's Angels. We shall see, but I don't think history will reflect kindly on your theory. Time will tell.

 

That's the only thing I'm interested in seeing unfold. I've been enjoying watching all these SJW films implode and punish those behind them with financial consequences. This is a recipe for disaster and I love it!

 

I liked the Wonder Woman trailer.

I got the feeling from the trailer there is a preceding WW movie I should see, or rent, or something before this next one comes out?

Can any of you help out? #rarelygotomovies

 

There is...

 

I've yet to watch the video myself (work potato with an overzealous firewall), but I definitely get the impression that the writer for the new movie has never seen a Brosnan- or Craig-era Bond film, particularly those that star Judy Dench as M.

 

Whether or not the film does well will have absolutely no bearing on the argument. At no point did I say I thought it would do well - actually I thought the trailer looked pretty meh, the tropes they seem to be using are pretty predictable and I explicitly stated how I think they aren’t going to pull off one of the things they are attempting very well. I don’t think this will be an especially good movie, and so it will come as no surprise to me if it underperforms.

What I disagree with is his assessments on how it won’t do well. It seemed to me that he completely missed what I saw as obvious and clichéd plot structures, and made a big deal out of something being missing from the trailer when you can almost be certain it will appear in the final film. And having done some research into the production of the film, I think his assessment of Phoebe Waller-Bridge’s involvement is wrong as well. She’s explicitly stated that she still thinks “Bond is completely relevant” and that he doesn’t have to change his view towards women; he can still carry on shagging them and seducing them and such. Instead, the feminist aspect will apply to the film as a whole; ie the female characters won’t just be two-dimensional pieces of eye candy but actually interesting, developed characters, something that will be good for everyone. In any case, it’s been made clear that her involvement doesn’t have anything to do with making it woke anyway - they’ve brought her in to spice up the dialogue, which given that her main program she’s written, Fleabag, is critically acclaimed and won six Emmies (including best writer), I think that’s pretty justified actually. So unless the issue is that people are unhappy with women being something other than pieces of meat for Bond to shag and/or save, which I highly doubt, I don’t really see what the problem is.

Honestly I still don’t think it will be that great and am not trying to argue as such, so your point about “seeing how well it does” is irrelevant. The bit that I’m disputing is the reasons for which it won’t be that good. It’s entirely possible that the movie won’t be much good because of the “woke” aspects, but based on what I’ve seen it seems far more likely that it will be down to poor execution of common tropes that will cause it to be bad. And in that case, you should be criticising the writing and plotting of the film instead of going on about the “woke” concepts the film is including like the video does.

In short, I agree with the video that the film will probably be pretty lacklustre, but disagree with his assessment of how and where the fault will lie.

 

They brought on a feminist writer to make the movie progressive. There are countless articles detailing how the movie aims to bring Bond in line with the #metoo era. The movie will be woke. All the information that has been released thus far has pointed in that direction.

Let me refine my prediction: The movie will be woke, there will be a backlash against it (it's already started) because it is woke and it will be a financial failure compared to its predecessors.

The problem is that the story/plot/characters always suffer when the goal is to create a film woke.

 

I'd agree if this hasn't already been a thing since Goldeneye.

 

Just to be clear, I’ve made a new thread to carry on with this elsewhere, so the randomness here can continue!

 

I believe it is a 3d printable file made by someone else.