Star Trek vs. Star Wars (and a collection of memes)

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Star Trek or Star Wars; which do you like better?

  1. Star Trek

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  2. Star Wars

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  1. Scalenex
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    I don't remember which Youtube video covers it, but it was pointed out that all the Jedi lacked character really except for Mace Windu, Qui Gon, and Yoda.

    Mace Windu studies the Dark Side, a little bit. Apparently his purple light saber is a sign of this.

    Qui Gon was something of a maverick who flouted Jedi traditions.

    Yoda talks funny and is adorable. He leaves even more adorable bastard children for Mandalorians to find.

    Other than that the Jedi may have young and old members, male and female members, homily and beautiful members, and they may have a wide variety of different species represented, but they all sort of act the same.

    The Sith are more individualistic and interesting. I'm not sure if this is deliberate or accidental, but I think this is why in the variations of Star Wars, the villains are often more well-liked by the fans than the heroes.
     
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    That's a point where the Clone Wars series really did some good IMO. Guys like Plo Koon, Ki Adi Mundi, Kit Fisto, Luminara Unduli and a handful of others become a lot more interesting.

    There are also nice Jedi, arrogant Jedi, asshole Jedi and so on.
    Jedi Master Pong Krell (no I didn't make that name up :D ) for example became pretty memorable for me.
     
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    In all fairness, I thought General Grievous was a lousy villain.

    EDIT: Let me elaborate.

    He has a stupid name, a non-threatening wheeze, campy dialogue in a movie of campy dialogue, a lack of emotions, no narrative buildup, no Force powers, and he had a stupid name.
     
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    Another thing that is made both better and worse by the Clone Wars series.
    He gets a lot more time in the spotlight but it makes parts of the movies utterly silly.
     
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    They never showed us the real grievous. This is what we all wanted
     
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    That set a bad precedent. Captain Phasma was pretty silly and non-threatening in the Disney movies but she was well fleshed out and very bad ass in the tie-in novels.

    This is a major problem with the live action X-Men movies when they shoe-in a lot of comic fan favorite characters in really crummy cameos.

    You have to work in the media you are given. Movies are very powerful if used correctly, but there are certain things that don't translate well on the big screen that are easy to show on the small screen, a novel, a graphic novel, or an animated series.

    I like the Mandalorian TV show, but I think it would make a lousy movie.

    I don't hate Serenity like some Firefly fans do. I actually liked it, but I will admit I didn't like it as much as I liked the TV show and I would have rather seen the story arc put across 13 or 26 episodes than a two hour movie.
     
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    Hmm, several of these could equally apply to Vader, especially given that the Original Trilogy has far more campy dialogue, and a generally more campy atmosphere, than any of the Prequel films, he isn’t exactly brimming with any emotion other than contempt and anger like Grievous, and that he wasn’t given a chance to demonstrate his full powers in the OT.

    Concerning Grievous, I thought he was something a bit different after the Sith Lords in the first two Prequel films, and gave the Droid army a face, like Cody did with the Clone Troopers. Given that he has four lightsabers and is built with an especially profound cyborg strength, he is still an extremely powerful threat against anything that isn’t Force-sensitive, including the many thousands of Clone Troopers that made up the majority of the Republic’s army, so lore-wise giving him no Force Powers wasn’t that bad a thing. Indeed he would also be a threat to relatively untrained Force-sensitives like Leia and pre-Episode VI Luke.

    As for Kylo, he was little more than a Vader wannabe in VII. VIII, for all its flaws, at least gave him some different background what with him and Luke both feeling that the other was betraying them, but Grievous was still a lot more original and interesting for me personally, and I would rather have seen him survive to live on in more films than Kylo to be honest.

    2D cartoons always have a frakload of artistic licence and exaggeration to them as part of their ‘cartoony’ atmosphere, even sci-if ones, so I really don’t think much of the 2002 Clone Wars series.

    Too bad they didn’t actually show this in the films, given that the films take precedence over all other media as they were what started all off. To be fair this is the same with Baze Malbus and Chirrut Imwe, who are also given a lot more development in a tie-in novel, and I think it would be great if this had been highlighted in Rogue One, but there is only so much you can put in to a film if you don’t want it to be a Middle-Earth style epic, which is of course not to everyone’s taste. That’s why I think it’s unfair for people to criticise Rogue One for ‘lack of character development’, because it’s one film whose plot has to begin and end there and then, rather than Episodes I, IV or VII which all had two sequels to rely upon for additional ‘character development’. They could only do so much for each character without drowning the plot in character backstory and development.
     
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