AoS Carnosaur: oldblood vs Scar Vet?

It’s says on a hit of 6 with no mention of unmodified, so it could get pretty hilarious

 

I'd say the constallation also plays a part in this choice. Especially in Koatls claw it is important to choose the right General who can refund CP he uses on saurus units on a 4+.

Koatls Claw gets a +1 innately, as if they do not charge, a CP can be spend for +1 to hit. This means all heroes in Koatls claw got +1 to hit, while the old bloods also have a +1 to hit command. This can be good, but will also be sort of a waste for some warscrolls to stack up on, instead of a Scar vet providing exploding hits, so you can use the same general to use both commands and possibly refund them.

Also the Svar Vet weapons provides some synergies with the available artifacts. Koatls claw forces the artifact giving 2 mortal wounds in addition with 6s to hit, that is pretty good on the spear with 6 attacks.

They are equipped in a way having 2 is not a bad idea, even in Koatls claw if you make the scar vet your general and give the artifact, another carno with an old blood is not a bad choice, as it is a bit more fighty without any artifacts needed. Due to the sunstone spear the oldblood is also a slightly better option for the great drake +1 attack.

That said the old blood on carno is not part of any battalion either, while the scar veteran in a firelance can be on a carno, especially in Koatls Claw getting +3 to charge ranges is a big deal to ensure that +1 hit on charges.

The 40 points is a big deal though, and it might in the end come down to what you could get for that in your preferred list.

 

Actually, because the main rules state that you can ignore subheadings for battalions unless they are specifically mentioned, the Oldblood on carnosaur can be in a Sunclaw battalion and get rend -2 on the jaws. They might errata otherwise, but until/unless they do, the rule is clear that you can.

 

Just read the core rules for battalions and sure enough there it is, strange that the Firelance battalion uses the SCAR-VETERAN keyword though, as both oldbloods and scarvets got 2 variants. I would not be surprised to see an FAQ on this, but as it stands using the Oldblood on Carno in a sunclaw is completely legal.

With rend 2 on the 5 dmg jawz, add in the +1 command, the damage output is truly scary and rather reliable too.

I guess the answer is to run Koatl's Claw with both a sunclaw templehost and firelance using both carnosaur variants and cackle as your dino men rips and tears your enemies to pieces!

 

Ok, how's this:

Koatl's Claw:

Oldblood on Carno (General)
-Dominant Predator
-Dimensional Blade

Scar-Vet on Carno
-Eviscerating Blade (War Spear)

Scar-Vet on Carno
-Sword of Judgement (War Spear)

Skink Starseer

20 Saurus Warriors (Clubs)
20 Saurus Warriors (Clubs)
20 Saurus Warriors (Clubs)

5 Saurus Knights (Lances)
5 Saurus Knights( Lances)
5 Saurus Knights (Lances)

Sunclaw TH
Firelance TH

_____

This puts us on 1950 - enough to bank one of those CPs that the Oldblood values so much.

Starseer is optional I feel - I threw him in there because he can generate more CPs, and this list is very much contingent on using CPs to buff the ever-loving shit out of one or two Carnosaurs and Leroy-Jenkinsing them into whatever is unlucky or stupid enough to let that happen. That said, we already start with 2 CPs, so he could just as easily be subbed for extra Warriors or Knights.

 

I'd probably go with a defensive artifact on the oldblood carno and maybe run a Slann w/ grubs or Aetherquartz Brooch and some endless spells or another 10 saurus/5 knights/5 guard instead of the 3rd carno and starseer. Better magic defense, safer general for the command trait, and extra CPs to burn on buffs.

 

Overall looks cool, Saurus Warriors and knights are very effective for their price and can hit pretty hard. Just one thing to note though is you might want to consider more support characters to generate command points as most saurus lists are command point heavy

 

wait can someone explain to me why I can use an Carnold in a sunclaw when the text isn't bold... im not understanding.

 

"On Carnosaur" is a subheading, and you ignore subheadings when picking units in battalions, as per the main rules.

 

and this overrides the text being BOLD for the keyword or not for the war scroll title? seems inconsistent since the Firelance has Scarvet in BOLD

 

unless they are included in the entry for the unit... entry where? on the points table? because that would override this as well....

I HATE GW... so inconsistent lol

 

I understand this as "If battalion's composition contains unit Oldblood on Carnosaur, then you cannot use oldblood in it. If the battlaion's composition contains only Oldblood, you are fine with both Oldblood and Oldblood on Carnosaur".

Btw, this explains why they used Scar-Vet's keyword. If they've written "ScarVet on CO", then Carno one wouldn't be viable.

 

The entry on the battalion warscroll...
IE: you can't ignore it if it says "Saurus Oldblood on carnosaur" for the battalion, but if it says "Saurus Oldblood", you can.

 

Yes it is not easy to navigate. The mounts for the Scar Vet are also sub headers, making the bold keyword basically pointless as per the sub header rule. I have a feeling something is off here, but for now before any FAQ it is legal, I would not make a shopping list before the FAQ though...

 

Except it’s not? The Sunclaw Battalions required heroes are not keywords you are picking the Saurus Sunblood or Saurus Old Blood warscrolls. They are clearly trying to make a mounted battalion vs a on foot one.

 

I checked the slaves to darkness battalions to compare the chaos lord, since there are many different mounted versions, and in their battalion they listed every different mount and one on foot. I’m so confused cause in one book they list everything, and then in this book they just use the keyword to include all mounts, and then on top of all that they’ve included in the rules a way to avoid all this confusion but never use it? I feel like that rule must mean something else.

 

I am thinking that is the intend, but as the warscroll name is the same except the sub header, and the battalion rules says to ignore sub headers, then the name fits RAW. But that is also why I am thinking it might appear in a FAQ.

 

I see where you are coming from but if that was the case why keyword SCAR-VETERAN in the other battalion? Makes me wonder if they even proofread these books before printing them...

 

I doubt having an oldblood on Carno in Sunclaw is intended, hopefully this will be addressed in the FAQ.