Tutorial Seraphon List for GHB2020

Which events? Are they on BCP? Would love to see your lists and matchups.

I've been having decent success with knights. I dont know if the full kroak package fits with all the other stuff you'll need.

Kroak
Astrolith
Starseer
starpriest
oldblood carno
scar vet carno

10 knights
10 knights
5 knights

firelance
balewind

You end up having like 140 points left over. Can run guard, 20 skinks, some chamos, more knights, or a few endless spells. I feel like the list needs more bodies so i've been running it with the skinks lately.

 

Well basically won the big French ELeague on tts, 10 straitght win to the crown. Was playing straborn triple sallies and kroak. Faced in this order :
> Skaven 24 jezzails 30 acolytes
> STD despoilers triple Demon prince , Belakor + cavalry
> 110 Plagues bearers + GUO
> Ogors ( Butcher / Gluttons / IronGuts )
> DoK 90 Slaughter , Morathi Cauldron
And in finals was :
> Loca Tzeentch 3 gaunts, 50 pinks, 60 blues One drop
> Ossiarch Nagash 30 Cavalos ( Cancon list if i can recall )
> Eternal Conflagration classic build
> Ogors double Stonehorn 12 glutton
En finals was against Eternal conflag with Archaon.

Also won with the list vs top french players in practice.

Last weekend, won a one dayer with 2*20 chameleons 40 skinks and Kroak package in fangs. All games won within turn one or 2 .
Faced Ogor Triple Stonehorn, Seraphon mirror ( 2*3 sallies 15 chameleons and Kroak package ) and STD Archaon in final.

Also funny @Putzfrau because your list is kinda what i'm leaning too , i just add 10 skinks and Geminids but seems quite nice to perform as saurus. We got turn one big charges, 4 threats and kroak. Only Downside is the lack of guards that can win games by protecting kroak enough. Will try it out asap !

 

Very cool, congratulations! Most of the games were before the sally nerf, i assume? some interesting lists in there, surprised no one wanted to play KO. I think they have a great matchup against sally spam. Pre nerf loca is nasty tho, such an annoying army to fight.

Good luck on the knights man, i hope you enjoy it, its a lot different than sally spam lol.

 

Thats awesome man! Im really surprised how you have done that well with mass Salamanders. From my experience it was great at first, but people learned quickly how to screen properly and for me it lacked reach to hit the important targets. Many lists with some ranged output just decided to stay outside of 22" of Kroak and play the objective game.

Maybe Im not aggressive enough with Kroak's position?

 

Honestly , kroak does nothing in some games. Big winner is starseer, allowing fully buffed sallies to charge fly key target / objectives. I can say he won me this one !!
And yes was before sallies nerf @Putzfrau

 

Hi @LizardWizard. I would like to try a double battalion just for the heck of it. I may have already asked this question somewhere, but do you think it would help or hurt this list to drop down the big Knight unit to 5 and swap the Sunblood for an Oldblood on Carnosaur? Or, would that move just be a wash?

 

One question i have to think about, how many skinks if any are enough to screen out my battle line blob and important heroes?
I know i also will have things like gemnids to help out with incoming fire but im curious about how many i need to stop an alpha strike.

@Just A Skink agreed, everything is better with a carnosaur

 

How does +1 to wound help with Serpents staff? If anything +hit from the Oldblood would synergize more with the serpent staff? What am I missing?

 

serpent staff causes an additional mortal wound on a 6+ to wound. Adding +1 to that makes it a 5+, effectively doubling the mortal wounds a unit will deal

 

Serpent Staff is unmodified 6+, so Sunblood doesn't help get more mortals.

 

I hear that, and it's kind of what I expected. Foolishly, I had forgotten about the benefit of being able to use LoS with the Sunblood (or even Oldblood). I wondered whether the 10-knight unit was the "punch" or the "cleanup," and I can see that they might do more work than a Carno. Thanks, I appreciate the advice and all of the work on these lists in the first place.

 

I generally use my knights as a punch and my carnosaurs as cleanup. Using the knights early helps you fight for control of objectives and then carnosaurs are brilliant at cleaning up whatever might be left over and you're not so worried about bodies because things are already dead .

 

Honestly knights in koatls claw in any capacity are pretty scary, they pack a punch well above their weight if you spend a cp on them. That 8 inch move with a rerollable charge can get them stuck in some nasty positions that will be hard for an opponent to dig out.

 

This might be a dumb question, but why has your 1000pts FoS Skink Bomb list with Kroak not made the GHB 2020 cut? Unless I am missing something, no points costs have changed?

 

Ahh sorry, didn't mean to be pushy! I was happy to find it as it's the only thing I can really run at the moment which what I own (proxying Adohi-Tehga as Kroak). I've had mixed success with it, but that's a reflection on my ineptitude and my opponents armies, not the list!