hello guys! i start playing 3 months ago with my friends (stormcast, fec, nighthaunt and slaves) and right now i'm the unbeatable one but now (we play friendly matches and soon we will start a campaign) they complain a lot about Kroak, he is too strong, too many spells, etc. so i need some help making a good and fun list without kroak! maybe some firelance or thunderquake? i got: heros: kroak, slann, starpriest x2, priest, starseer, 2 carnos (old and scar), troglodon, old blood and sun blood on foot, scar on cold one, astrolith troops and others: 30 warriors, 20 knights, 40 skinks, 3 salamanders, 20 temple guards, 2 bastilodon, 1 stegadon, 1 engine, 6 terradons thanks for helping! ps: got endless spells too!
the easiest way to run non kroak is to just switch in a slann for him. personally i don't use kroak i like my slann better and so far i have made most lists work well. if it's just a for fun game i would just bring my best models and have at it
If people are finding the tripple Celestial Deliverance to be too strong you can just take Kroak "naked" i.e no Astrolith and Balewind.
Yes even without celestial deliverance he is well with the price bump for his 4+ ignore wound save, extra spell cast and extra dice to generate command points each turn alone, like a super slann at a discount increase. If going for a friendly game and some good will for your lizard dudes, you could also make a friendly saurus list, skip the slann entirely and have fun with your carnosaurs, saurus warriors and knights. A list like this could be decent for a friendly matched play game: Allegiance: Seraphon - Constellation: Koatl's Claw Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (230) - General - Command Trait: Dominant Predator Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur (210) - War Spear - Artefact: Eviscerating Blade Saurus Sunblood (130) - Artefact: Blade of Realities Skink Oracle on Troglodon (220) Skink Starseer (140) - Spell: Hand of Glory 10 x Saurus Knights (200) - Lances 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades 5 x Saurus Knights (100) - Blades 30 x Saurus Warriors (270) - Spears Stegadon (240) - Weapon: Skystreak Bow Firelance Temple-host (160) Total: 2000 / 2000 Extra Command Points: 1 Allies: 0 / 400 Wounds: 126