Can someone in the UK give me context for what is going on? (Political)

@Scalenex maybe @Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl can shed some light on the situation?

Until then, how about an adjacent meme summary...

 

Only just got round to posting my thoughts on this.

It's very much typical that, in their eagerness to decry or discuss the actions of far-Right (or even just Right of any level) protesters, everyone seems to have glazed over the fact that the far-Left used the goings-on to commit violence of their own in some areas (most notably in Bolton, where a peaceful pro-British protest movement was attacked by "British" Muslims shouting 'Allahu Akbar', a known Islamist terrorist slogan). In short, both sides of the extremist spectrum were involved in the violence, though of course only Left-wing groups that were peacefully protesting were celebrated, and only Right-wing groups that were actually committing violence were vilified.

With regards to the Police in this country, two arguments exist to explain such actions - on the one hand, many of this country's Goverment-run institutions are controlled by Left-wing sympathisers (a relic from when the arseling Tony Blair was in power and filled them with his cronies). The Civil Service, the main TV stations (with the exception of GB News), Universities and schools certainly - though whether the Police is one of them I'm unsure. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a Left-wing faction within its upper echelons. However, much more obvious is the fact that if the Police do arrest criminals of ethnic minority for known crimes they have committed, the definite Left-controlled media very often pounces upon them and immediately give them ridiculous amounts of flak (of course in an attempt to portray our country as having 'George Floyd' issues like the US), so though the Police often tries to do its job, it feels pressured to tread carefully around ethnic minorities to avoid getting bad publicity. Of course, the argument could be made that Police officials should just show more spine and ignore the media's BS, but as a service that relies upon preserving trust with the people it exists to protect, bad rep is not what the Police wants if it wishes to avoid being demonised as the Gestapo (because the Left are very much in power to brand people as such if it fits their agenda right now).

In short, it's all the fault of the above institutions that have become fully corrupted by the Left. And the worst thing is that even if corporations eventually get the message that going woke will get them broke, government institutions aren't reliant upon making a profit and so wouldn't be persuaded by such an outcome. Only a concerted sacking of Left-wing sycophants would achieve the same effect in said institutions, and of course such an action would give a PM a potential image of looking like a dictator. So, over here in Britain at least, we end up with either having a right-wing Conservative government that is blocked and dragged down by the Left-wing institutions at every turn, or a left-wing Labour government that just sits back and lets said institutions do their evil thing because they want it to happen.

Of course this whole debacle was in part triggered by Starmer getting into power with only 20% of the national vote (a failure of our first-past-the-post system, as mentioned before) - a hint that most people didn't want the sod to be PM, though were too split between the Conservatives, the Liberal Democrats and Reform UK to vote someone else in. We know he will do bugger all to deal with the illegal immigration issue, as Labour wants them all in to recruit them as extra voters and to fulfil their dream of browning the UK. I do find it interesting how already he has already been found out of being involved in cronyism after only around 3 months in power, despite the best attempts of the Left-run media to cover it up, and I do wonder how long he will last (hopefully not long). But even if he is ousted, would his replacement from another party do anything about the Left-wing institutions that are dragging the country down, poisoning its culture with US-imported wokism and playing a part in manipulating people to sympathise with illegal economic migrants? The only real alternatives are Sir Ed Davey (who likely wouldn't), Nigel Farage (who might but is a friend of Trump and not entirely against Putin) or whoever wins the Conservative leadership contest to replace Rishi. I can't see Cleverley doing it, he's too moderate, and I'm also sceptical about Badenoch. Tugenhadt might... possibly. Jenrick seems to be the most promising in that he vowed to take an especially hard stance on the illegal immigration issue, but whether he's as good as his word and whether he can do what must be done without being blocked by the institutions remains to be seen. And would he take the great steps needed to return said institutions to political neutrality?

 

This means 'God is great' and is basically the same as 'praise the lord'. Its not a terrorist slogan at all.

If you actually look at something relatively unbiased e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_Kingdom_general_election you will see Labour nationally got 33.7% of the vote. I'm not sure where you got 20% from. Wherever it was, I'd be very suspicious of their reliability.

The primary reason that Labour got such a large majority from a relatively small vote share is because the right wing vote split between the Conservatives and Reform, and the left-wing SNP collapsed in Scotland.

When right-wing media like the Telegraph agree with the BBC then you can be reasonably certain its a fair representation of what actually happens. If you rely on other sources of information then you are just allowing yourself to be misled by self-serving populists spreading hate for their own personal gain.

Personally, your views do not represent the Britain I live in, or the problems I see. I have no issues with immigration and I don't believe there is any material conspiracy, other than the right wing agenda to try and inflame hate.

I'd rather politicians focussed on the economy, where we can see anti-migration policies have a negative effect. For example, significant drops in the number of foreign students coming to study at UK universities mean they make less money, so British students get a worse education as the Universities can't make as much money.

 

'Praise the Lord' would very often have been chanted by Medieval Christians as they were burning 'heretics' and slaughtering 'infidels'... just as 'Allahu Akbar' has become most well-known for being spouted by Islamists just before they detonate their suicide vests. A slogan on its own is just words, but when spoken by those who mean deliberate harm then those slogans become harmful in themselves, as they encourage more people to follow the same path toward committing harm. The very fact that those "British" Muslims were chanting their religious mantras in an aggressive response to a peaceful protest in defence of British culture is a statement to how antagonistic they are to the native populace of these isles, and how they wish to enforce their own ways upon us instead of "doing as the Romans do in Rome" and adopting ours if they wish to live here. There are plenty of Arabic countries where Islam is the dominant religion and culture... if they want to chant their prayers and force women to wear headdresses and live as second-class citizens, they can do so there rather than here.

It's clear to see that, at this point, Islam is probably at its most backward and hostile since the 1st Millennium AD when the Arabic tribes first rose to prominence and conquered Asia Minor. Certainly the religion's Golden Age during the Middle Ages, where Islamic countries were great proponents of science and enlightenment (especially compared to Christian countries at the time), is long gone. Until it learns to grow up and join the rest of the world in the 21st Century, it certainly shouldn't be given the sacred level of protection it currently has in this country... especially not at the expense of other religions have have been in this country for far longer and caused far less trouble (e.g. Judaism, which has endured a lot more needless flak than Islam ever has).

"Relatively unbiased"... my friend, did anyone ever tell you in school that Wikipedia is not seen as a credible source for information to be used in essays and dissertations? Principally because, as anyone can edit it, it can be subtly influenced with all manner of personal bias.

20% was the total percentage of the vote in England... if the Scottish vote (which admittedly very much got them the win through the failures of the SNP as you correctly said) was counted as well, then that would take it up to 33.7% of the vote.

And because the Lib Dems marketed themselves as another alternative in traditionally Conservative areas... still proves my point though that a lot of people in England didn't want Labour to get in, for reasons that are making themselves clear right now.

On the contrary, I very much see the dangers of populists like Farage and Trump, both friends of Putin... but at the same time I also see how so many people are being misled by media like the BBC that shamelessly propagates Left-wing ideologies and seeks to brainwash people (especially the impressionable young) into despising the culture and race they were born into in favour of others.

If there are any conspiracies, then there is one both on the Left and on the Right. There is an equal amount of hatred toward traditional British culture and values that is propagated by left-wing mouthpieces, and is endemic to many of our institutions... institutions that mark schools down if they have "too many white British children", are eager to decry our country as "institutionally racist" on the level of the US, who want to smear the old British Empire as an unforgivably evil regime on the par of Nazi Germany and generally despise everything about Britain's white European heritage. In that regard these people are every bit as bad as those nutcases on the Far-Right who worship Nazi Germany and equally insult everything Britain stands for. What's worse, the views of the former are openly accepted in so many institutions that are meant to be pillars of strength in keeping society functioning successfully, when they should be condemned with equal veracity as those of any genuine neo-Nazi.

As for immigration, it is acceptable in small amounts, and so long as said immigrants are grateful to live here and adopt this country's values and attitudes. Indeed there are many who do... demographics like Orientals, Sikhs and Indians are, on the whole, very well-behaved and make their own valued contributions to the UK, which is all well and good. However, there are others who, in their hypocritical mindsets, seek to demonise this country's culture and its values and replace them with their own, all the while being quite happy to take advantage of the many benefits of living in this safe and peaceful land rather than going to a country which has the culture and values they admire (and is usually far less safe and peaceful).

Moreover, the large levels of immigration we are having at this point in time are unsustainable on many levels - it requires more needless housebuilding and destruction of green space, incurs more expenditure on infrastructure (and paying out Benefits, no doubt), brings greater congestion upon our roads and escalates the level of interbreeding (which, contrary to Left-wing propaganda again, has its cons alongside its pros). Migration needs to be controlled to ensure a gradual rate of absorption of migrants into the country's demographics and help the population to remain stable and manageable.

Only because not enough of our own people are being encouraged to stop leeching off the dole and go to work - even if it's a low-paid job like cleaning or working in a care home, it is still honest work that isn't a burden on the state. Indeed if Universal Credit as a concept was withdrawn in its entirety, all those of our own people who take advantage of it would immediately be off to seek these honest jobs, and we'd need a lot less migrants to fill those positions. Problem solved.

Again, I would suggest this is quite often down to the poor quality of education toward our own people (looking at you State Schools). Contrary to left-wing narratives, white British pupils seem to show the same average/below average levels of attainment as many non-white ethnicities, especially boys. Again, if more effort was placed into giving our own people education (indeed a culture shift toward realising the importance and attractiveness of education and knowledge would be beneficial here), more of them would be willing and capable of attending University and Universities wouldn't be so dependent upon foreign students, meaning we'd need less migration.

 

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I'd be careful with regards to what sort of 'news' videos you watch about what's going on over here... there is all sorts of propaganda from both sides of the political spectrum that is riven with misinformation - not just from the usual evil lefties, but also stinking traitors who call themselves 'right wing' but just want to shit on the country and moan how 'bad' it is all the time (when true patriots of the nation would praise all that the UK has achieved despite the issues and have a plan on how to improve it further). I wouldn't be surprised if such bastards are being paid by Russia to try and damage national morale - they're certainly every bit as dangerous as the Liebore government and the lefties controlling the national institutions. As mentioned before, there seem to be conspiracies on both sides of the political spectrum.

Yeah, there are issues here, but people make the blind mistake of claiming that said issues we do have apply nationwide, when in reality they only usually apply to actually dodgy areas like London and some of the cities in the North, as issues usually do in any country - the rest of the UK is fine. What's more, these issues are no worse than those that other Western countries have. We're not paralysed by gang violence as Sweden is, we haven't been infiltrated by the Islamic Brotherhood as France has, we didn't have a full-scale uprising targeting one of our most important government buildings as America had.

Talking of America, it's hilarious to hear this American YouTuber claim that we're supposedly taking DEI politics to levels that will 'destroy the country', when America started the whole mess and continues to be divided by it to the point of almost having a second Civil War start at times. Not to mention the US is now ruled by an aspiring dictator who has been using said mess to his political advantage the whole time. He says he'll put a stop to it, but will he? I haven't heard anything good come out of his reign so far, and why should he put a stop to what propelled him into power in the first place?

Wokism is an overall Western problem, albeit caused by America's continuing negative influence upon the Western world.

To be honest, though I can see how it can to a certain extent be an affront to free speech, the behaviours they're seeking to persecute (wolf-whistling, catcalling and the like) are propagated by 'bad boy' beta males and insecure youths who give men a bad name, and persecuting them isn't a bad thing. Their behaviour is unnecessary, immature, and a crass, lewd display of specifically sexual interest, as is in the nature of these boys - it is not simply a display of "appreciation of the female form", which can be shown instead through sincere gestures of romantic appreciation. I've heard how such attitudes have been exacerbated of late among the misguided young by the likes of Andrew Tate (who should be revoked of his British citizenship), and it is both an unhealthy, non-masculine mindset and the sort of attitude that encourages future rapists. I and all other decent, truly masculine men are above such behaviour, and thus will not be arrested for it, so it's not a problem for decent members of society. It's the infantile, unintelligent and weak that will be hit by such tactics, and to be frank it's no better than they deserve. A spell in the cells of a police station will help them cool off and might teach them to grow up a little. If only they could do the same for scummy graffiti vandals...

With regards to the Police here, as I mentioned before in an earlier post on this thread, they do have their hands tied behind their backs half the time - true they could show more of a backbone and stand up to wokists who try to tarnish their image through complaints of 'Police brutality' every time they arrest a foreigner (including when said foreigners absolutely deserve it), but when most of the media is also siding with the left, such an issue can quickly be projected across the entire country and smear the image of the Police even further. For this to be dealt with, one needs to look a lot deeper than simply the Police force - most institutions across the country are controlled by the Left (a problem that dates back to the weasel Tony Blair's stint in power), and need to be purged of the sycophants who spread its degenerate philosophy.

 

What are the pros and cons of interbreeding?

Note: don’t think “interbreeding” is the right word choice here. Makes it sound like having sex/creating babies with folks of different races on the same level as sex with animals.

 

Fair enough . Would 'intermixing' be more palatable?

As for Pros and Cons, I can see the following:

Pros:

• Obviously the greater genetic diversity of the two parents minimises the chance of defects that would come from inbreeding
• Improves relations and understanding between different races and cultures, quite obviously, if done through genuine romantic affection and partnership
• Quite obviously is part of one's innate personal freedoms, if one so wishes

Cons:

• Intermixing with another race does present the greater chance of adding genuine genetic flaws from the other race (e.g. Whites being more prone to sunburn, Sub-Saharan Blacks being less capable at swimming and having increased chances of contracting Prostate Cancer) being introduced into your family bloodline that otherwise wouldn't happen
• If done too much across the general population, it could contribute to a particular race or culture dying out (it's certainly one of the things that has sadly contributed to the Native American race to become a distinct minority in continents where they were once the only race, alongside disease and persecution across the centuries)
• Can be weaponised through interracial politics as a means of 'fetishising' people of particular races, to encourage sex crime toward a particular race, or belittling a particular race for being supposedly 'sexually inferior' (as has happened throughout history, between different races - most notably historically through the sexual slavery of both Whites and Blacks in Arabic harems, propagated by the Barbary Pirates - and nowadays, principally through Internet pornography)
• If the culture differences between parents are particularly great, then offspring of an interracial union may be encouraged to favour one of their cultures of origin over another for whatever reason, which would trigger a prejudiced element to their character (most notably seen these days when mixed Black/White kids often prefer to identify as Black and shun anything to do with the White component of their ancestry, playing the same Left-Wing 'victim' cards that some politically-motivated Black people do). Of course this is all down to the choice of the individual, I am not denying that, but it does make me wonder if, in situations like this, whether the results of intermixing can often undermine the original benign intentions of it.

As mentioned in my earlier posts, I certainly don't have a problem with immigration (or the intermixing that comes with it) if it happens on a manageable level, and in a manner that is harmonious with the native population of a country or region - that is the aim of a tolerant, democratic society after all... I'm just merely concerned about it becoming uncontrolled and part of a vicious circle with the increasingly radical politics that is occurring across the world.