What are you doing today hobbywise?

Relatives might work better, but the stock meme template has the word friends.

As for the personified WHFB being nicer to TOW, I see it something more along the lines of:

 

For now.

As soon as the next edition of TOW drops, the legacy armies will be left in the dust. Even now they are already behind one Arcane Journal, which while not rendering them unplayable, is not exactly ideal either.

Could GW change their mind? Sure, it is possible, but so are many other things:

• the next Disney Star Wars movie could be the greatest Star Wars movie of all time
• Canada might win the upcoming FIFA World Cup
• Elon Musk might give me enough money to buy GW outright, in which case I would cancel TOW for shits & giggles (and so that I could gloat)

All those things have a mathematical non-zero chance of occurring. However, just because something can happen, doesn't mean that it will happen.

I have never stated that it is impossible that GW changes course and revives the legacy factions in TOW. You have every right to speculate, hope and wish. As for me though, I care more about the facts, and currently the fact is:




That is the current course that GW is on. Even if they were to deviate from it, how long will that be? 5 years? 10? They're not exactly the most nimble company when changing trajectory. They have things planned out fairly far in advance.

As for me waiting and keeping watch to see if your theory pans out, why would I? I have no vested interest in TOW. All I ever wanted was to obtain some previously discontinued Wood Elves models for my wife's 8th edition army, and that has been accomplished. The game has my blessing to live or die. You are committed to the game, I am not. I can extract equal benefit from its continued existence as I can from its death.

By mainline units, I simply meant "regular" units as opposed to named special characters (who sometimes come and go). Whether they are core, special or rare choices is utterly irrelevant. Historically, units very rarely get dropped from one edition to the next. I don't recall it happening to any of the units from any of my armies going from 7th to 8th, they simply added more toys to the roster. This is a much newer trend by GW, who have begun deleting units from games.

As for the specific examples I named, I just listed those that I was sure about. I don't exactly follow TOW very closely. I'm sure there are other units as well. The Warshrine, Mutalith Vortex Beast and Slaughterbrute also come to mind. Even the Chaos War Mammoth (although that is a special case and very far from a "mainline" unit). I haven't bothered to crack open any of the books/pdfs for any of the other armies outside of the CD and WoC.

In regards to the added units making up for the removed ones, that is little consolation to someone (wishing to play TOW) who may have bought, assembled and lovingly painted discontinued models.

Bottom line, TOW is essentially running an AoS magic system. Simple and non-tactical. Perhaps intellectually demanding for some, but not for me. Mileage will vary.

Even if you can trace its origins back to something similar in 3rd edition, that is a massive regression. Those super early editions of the game were from the infancy of the company. Crude and rudimentary. It is not a natural progression of the game. What kind of edition update gives us a change like this 1 to 2... 2 to 3... 3 to 4... 4 to 5... 5 to 6... 6 to 7... 7 to 8 and finally 8 to 3?

In some ways powered up (a couple of uber spells) and in other ways weakened (less guaranteed power dice, 12 dice limit).

Because those are all deviations (other games) to the one original, WHFB.

In fact, I'd more liken the TOW - WHFB relationship to something akin to Warhammer 40k and Warhammer: Horus Heresy. And if we (creatively) extrapolate, TOW could be considered to be Warhammer: The Fantasy Heresy.

Correction: as one could only do for a potential impending new edition.

I am a fact based person, and there simply weren't enough facts available at the time. The speculation was fun and it was all we could go off of. Others and I clearly laid out the make or break criteria we had for the game. IF the game turned out to be a fantastic edition update, I would have said as much. I gave it the benefit of the doubt, and only abandoned it when it turned out to be an inferior game. That's not exactly the "gotcha" moment that you're hoping it to be.

Which was already acknowledged:

I am well aware that you are more of a 7th edition guy than an 8th edition guy.

Not exactly great evidence there. "I heard some guys on Facebook say". I've heard a lot of really stupid shit said on Facebook.

The NIGHTBRINGER cares not for the opinions and thoughts of lesser minds.

I might agree if it were only rules changes. As stated before, TOW clearly borrows a lot from what came before. The rules deviation (other than the TikTok generation magic phase) is less of a jump than some of those earlier relic editions. I only presented the rules changes (specifically the magic phase) as a single point of evidence from among a larger and more important subset, including...

• scrapping nearly half the armies (see direct evidence from GW posted above)
• scrapping a bunch of units (including some with great modern models that have been ported over to AoS)
• changing the name of the game

Probably a pointless exercise. Three things are guaranteed to happen:

1. you won't convince me
2. I won't convince you
3. it will come down to a war of attrition, which I will (very easily) win

Search your feelings, you know it to be true.

And I want to keep them distinct. Usually the lesser thing (TOW) wants to attach itself to the greater thing (WHFB) and not the other way around.

I am quite content. I have fun playing, badgering and pestering in terms of "recruiting", but at the end of day, I don't really need anyone else to jump on board. Heck, there are far more 8th edition players on EEFL, but I very seldom (by my standards) post over there.

As for a sinking ship, TOW interest on the forum has cratered. The amount it has dropped in the last year is staggering. Even AoS had a better run on the forum than TOW and by a very wide margin. But at least you've got Kings of War beat! No other game comes close to matching WHFB in terms of overall content on the forum. It's no contest at all. AoS at least gave it a run; TOW didn't even manage to do that.

I always use exclamation marks, bold lettering, font changes and font colours for emphasis. That is hardly new. If you are only noticing this now, then you haven't been particularly observant. Not sure how they do things in England, but those are hardly markers of desperation. They have a multitude of uses. If anything, I'm usually more inclined to use them once I've successfully built an advantageous position in a debate.

 

Don't I know it. The number of mould-lines that look clear as day in the picture that managed to evade an hour of scrutiny beforehand? Grrr...

 

What am I doing today hobbywise? Nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch.

I ordered some new plastic storage drawers in large sizes that, when they arrive, will be built into a rolling cart to hold all of my hobby tools and supplies so I can FIND the stuff I need to use, but other than that I am sitting at my computer nursing a terrible allergy attack because I have hayfever and the State Fair starts tomorrow, so the local air is full of dust from hay, straw, and ragweed.

 

Got some more stuff for my Chaos Dwarf army project.

 

3D printing an off-brand Aliens APC for a friend.