So I played O&G and got swamped due to some bad luck and poor generalship.... oph yeah and he is a good paler as well! Playing DE tomorrow and here is what I got Slann 395 -Cupped hands -Mystery -Rumination -gen/BSB Engine 405 lvl 2 Channeling staff Scar vet 138 -Shield -Armor fortune -Gold sigil Scar vet 143 -La, shield Ogre Dragon helm 24 saurus fc 294 24 saurus fc 294 22-skink fc 242 -2 krox 6 cham 72 6 cahm 72 26 temple guard fc 496 -razor banner ancient 275 2x1 sallies 160 extra handler gives me 2986 so 14 points to spend: Idea for list is 4 solid blocks of infantry and 2 stegs plus magic to widdle down the enemy. Chams take out War machines and fast cavalry, and sallies march block (force LD test) and cause wounds to units from the flank. I think the scar vets are needed for a little extra hittyness from the saurus. This will be a WIP list as I play more games in the coming weeks hope it works out