8th Ed. Blood statuette vs assassins.

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  1. HoverBoy
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    The item says any enemy character so am i right in assuming it can target an assassin type character before he reveals himself.
     
  2. Hebus
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    I don't think so. You can target any character, but you have to know he's there. I mean, I suppose...
     
  3. SanDiegoSurrealist
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    I would have to say no.

    Assassin would be treated as character in reserve for purposes of example.
    You could not target a character that was being held in reserve because he/she has not officially entered the playing field. But as soon as he pop his pointy eared little assassin-ny head out “NUKE EM!” I hate those guys.
     
  4. Durandal
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    It is actually entirely dependt on how the particular Assassin's "Hidden" Rule (or equivalent) is worded.
    For Dark Elves,
    The Blood Statuette doesn't care whether or not a character is on the board, "revealed", etc. You just pick a character. The character needs the exception to its effects.
     
  5. Eladimir
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    But how do you name a character that you don't know exists. It'd be meta-gaming to note he has an assasin figure around somewhere, or your buddy always bring ones.

    (Metagaming is frowned upon in D&D, is it common practice in warhammer though?)

    Lastly if you named an assasin and he didn't actually have one on his list would it be lost?
     
  6. Durandal
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    Well, you see, Warhammer Fantasy isn't at its core a roleplaying game. You don't show up with armies made up of unknown points, so that sometimes it is 1,000 vs 2,750. Anyway, where I play at, you may look over each other's lists before the start of the game in pick-up matches (Because we all make mistakes now and then). I even specify which hero has what magic items so that no one claims that I'm teleporting them around (you don't actually have to say what magic items a character is carrying till they are used). Now, in tournaments, where army lists are reviewed by non-players before the start, yes, you wouldn't know that he happens to have an assassin till he reveals it.
    But again, DE assassins at least have in-built protection from it. If the others do not (unlikely), and you know that the list has that kind of character, and you aren't playing some super-serious RP campaign, then there isn't any reason why the statuette can't target them.
    Heck, to make it not meta-gaming, a skink priest read it in the stars that there'd be an assassin there, which is perfectly in line with an army preparing for battle with seers available.
    EDIT: To make the meta-gaming thing more apparent, unlike DnD, when your General dies, you don't automatically lose. You aren't playing a character, or even from a set perspective. You making moves is an abstraction of the entire military network of your army and its logistics doing things.
     
  7. Hebus
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    I'm using what Durandal already said :
    Since he's not revealed, there's no way to wound him.
     
  8. HoverBoy
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    Um the list must say if/how many assassins are present as they are characters, he must not however say where they are.
    Edit: I'm not sure on this but i think he can decide in which unit(s) they go after deploying even.
     
  9. Cravenus
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    As a spell, wouldn't it need to follow the standard spell targeting restrictions(in LOS, etc)?
     
  10. Durandal
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    Well, it doesn't have a spell type, so it follows the "generic" restrictions on page 31. Which it will probably fulfill at the start of the game (when else would you use the Statuette)?
    EDIT: And the (DE anyway) Assassin is assigned to his bunker unit at the "Start of the game", which you need to make a note of, because he can't teleport around.
     

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