I have battled the 7th edition high elf book many times and not come anywhere close to winning. Anyone got any ideas on how to beat them? Help APPRECIATED.
This thread should help a bit http://lustria-online.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=48&sid=7fb64b7c22e7dbc8d705f76018782700
The thread linked addresses thier melee concerns, but I am having a serious problem with a shooty/magic high elf army. 2250 point game, I'm getting torn to pieces before crossing the distance. My opponent is generating 14 PD per turn, and it's devastating. There are also 4 repeater bolt throwers. I am having a difficult time figuring out how to defensively address both his casting and shooting. I'm thinking of dropping the Slann and his temple guard entirely and going back to the Carnosaur. Specifically, I'm having problems with Teclis and the bolt throwers. Any advice you guys can give would be nice.
Ok, I'm an expert vs. High Elves, I've been playing against them almost weekly since the almost 5th edition days. RBT's are the most over-powered damn war machine on the face of the planet. Hitting on 3's with 6 Str 4 armor piercing shots, for a 100 points?! And that magic is gross, I'll agree any day on that. Firstly, if he's using Teclis, I'd suggest, as expensive as he may be, taking Lord Kroak, or just wait until the new edition arrives. Archmages and 3 mages can hold of almost all Lizardmen magic, but Teclis is just murder. As for the RBT's, my suggest would be two units of terradons to get there quickly and kill them. Remember the Bane of all Elves is Salamanders! Krox's do a nice job of tearing up DP's and SH's so long as they don't get charge, so remember to use Skinks to screen your army and try to lure a charge if you can. Also remember HE's don't have special barding anymore, so their cav is slower then the may have thought. Really the only two HE things that are beyond paniful to kill are Pheonix Guard and Star Dragons. Star Dragons can only be killed by magic....period...unless your opponent is dumb enough to let a Carnosaur charge him. As for large targets, don't take them. With the exception of Slann and Krox, my entire army is skirmishers when I fight HE's. Also bring Chameleons, they're great for march blocking his cav or killing bolt thrower crews/mages/archers. I'd also suggest a JSoD, cause you have a good chance of getting him close to Teclis, and he can kill Teclis. With Kroak, it'd be easy, make sure you have Steed of Shadows, position JSoD where he can see Teclis, and use that as your last spell. Funny enough, Saurus, counting as Rare via spawnings with Skinks filling up Core pop, can hold off Swordmasters rather easy with I'd say Quetzl and if your opponent never charges, Sotek spawning. Temple Guard with Slann, if built correctly, are near invincible. Afraid of fear-causers/shooting? Spend too many points and give Slann Fear banner and 5+ Ward Save Plaque. In the end, they're a tricky and sly bunch, best of luck. -Dalkarius
Lizardmen have no hope against Telcis. Expt...... Well try this list for size. Host of Quetzl Lord Saurus Oldblood Great Weapon, Light Armour, Charm Of Jaguar Warrior,Venom Of Firefly Forg Quetzl 207 points Heroes Saurus Scar- Veteran Light Amour, Sword Of Might Quetzl, Tzunki 129 points Skink Chief Sword Of Might, Cloak Of Feathers Shield, Light Armor, Scout 134 points Troop 20 Skinks Javelin and Sheild Quetzl Scout 145 points 20 Skinks Javelin and Sheild 145 points 20 Skinks Javelin and Sheild 145 points 20 Skinks Javelin and Sheild 145 points 20 Skinks Blow Pipe 145 points 20 Skinks Blow Pipe 145 points Rare Unit Ogre Bulls x6 Ogre Club, Iron Fist Light Armor Bellower, Standard 230 Special Unit Kroxigor X4 Great Weapons 232 Terradons X4 Skink Brave 140 Special Unit Kroxigor X4 Great Weapons 232 2174 points I couldn't decide for Salamanders or Saurus Guard....... ( I have use to use South Lands and Imperial Guard)
What i really hate is when my friend takes his lofien sea guard list (which he takes all the time). His spearmen are also archers so he can spend more points on stuff like expensive heroes and swordmasters. Anyone got any ideas how to beat an army when you can't charge the archers because they have spears? And he kills all your ranged before they get in range. (Luckily in the new book they've taken out the rule which he gets a free shooting phase BEFORE the battle starts in 2000pts+. With no range or line of sight required!)
Ok, as for Lothern Sea Guard, those guys are a pushover if you manage your plays right. Firstly, High Elves are skilled but have a TERRIBLE save when not in combat, and even in combat saurus can hurt them. A Slann usually, with easy to cast D6 Str 4 moves can put the hurt on those units. And if he spreads out his guys usually to shoot then ranks up, see how he likes Wall of Fire! Another solution is Sallies, try to hide in terrain if you can, but High Elf shooting is rather weak unless he whips out BT's. But Salamanders + Lothern Sea Guard = you win. Salamander fire is the bane of all Elves. Lothern Sea guard are nasty, but if you shoot with everything you got, even skinks can rip those bastards apart.