AoS Kroak : Dead for innumerable Ages

[Arawn]

Hi guys!

Quick question about Kroak : During the battleshock phase, Kroak have to compare his bravery with the number of wound he suffered + D6 to survive.
Is Kroak's bravery affected by an inspiring scenery (if he is in range) or any ability of ennemy unit for this test?
Or we use his regular bravery without any possible modification ?

Have a good day!

 

[Aginor]

We use his normal bravery. Since that is not a bravery test, bravery modifiers do not apply.

 

[Arawn]

Too bad, the inspring terrain could have been very useful for once

 

[Seraphage]

Too bad, the inspring terrain could have been very useful for once

Still enjoyed the idea !

 

[darren watson]

I use it with modifiers competitively. It isn't a bravery test so you couldn't reroll it pre generals handbook 2 with the Order ability, but it does use his 'bravery' and not 'unmodified bravery'. Teleporting to inspired scenery is a valid tactic imho

 

[Aginor]

Uh, but don't the bravery abilities all say "add X to the result of any bravery rolls" or similar things? There is no roll so it doesn't count?
I have to take a look at some of those wordings...

 

[darren watson]

Uh, but don't the bravery abilities all say "add X to the result of any bravery rolls" or similar things? There is no roll so it doesn't count?
I have to take a look at some of those wordings...

Perhaps, I am not a rules lawyer and could be wrong here. As far as I'm aware his bravery is 11 if he is within 3" of inspiring. roll d6 and add the wounds he's taken. If it exceeds his bravery he is dead.

 

[Arawn]

you couldn't reroll it pre generals handbook 2 with the Order ability,

Can we now?

Uh, but don't the bravery abilities all say "add X to the result of any bravery rolls" or similar things? There is no roll so it doesn't count?
I have to take a look at some of those wordings...

The insipring terrain rule says "Add 1 to the Bravery of all units within 3" of this terrain feature." That's why I asked at the beginning.

So an inspiring terrain can give +1. If Kroak is with an ennemy in range of a Sinister terrain he suffers a -1. But if we face another Seraphon player, the Stardrake Icon of the Saurus won't work as it affect the bravery roll and not the bravery itself.

 

[darren watson]

Can we now?




The insipring terrain rule says "Add 1 to the Bravery of all units within 3" of this terrain feature." That's why I asked at the beginning.

So an inspiring terrain can give +1. If Kroak is with an ennemy in range of a Sinister terrain he suffers a -1. But if we face another Seraphon player, the Stardrake Icon of the Saurus won't work as it affect the bravery roll and not the bravery itself.

That's how I understand it

 

[Aginor]

OK I'd say if the rules actually say some value is added to the bravery itself: Of course that would apply for Kroak.
But so would abilities that say "Units have to substract X from their bravery".

So actually an enemy Troglodon would reduce Kroak's "wounds" while a Dread Saurian or Saurus Knights' banners wouldn't.

EDIT: And we can be glad that Tomb Kings are gone. A Screaming Skull Catapult would reduce the "wounds" of Kroak by two without even hitting him, just by attacking him.

 

[darren watson]

That's how I understand it

And we can't now as we have the Seraphon allegiance abillity not the Oder one. The point i was making was you couldn't use the old Order ability to reroll Kroak's roll to see if he was dead because it isn't a bravery roll

 

[Aginor]

Exactly.
The wording is the key. If something affects a bravery roll it doesn't count.
If somethign affects bravery it counts.

 

[Arawn]

Cool Thanks for the answers guys! Much clearer now

 

[Killer Angel]

EDIT: And we can be glad that Tomb Kings are gone. A Screaming Skull Catapult would reduce the "wounds" of Kroak by two without even hitting him, just by attacking him.

That's not exactly true
TK are still playable also in matched plays (in theory...), but the -2 to bravery just for shooting at the target, is no more.
The revised (and nerfed) warscroll of the SSC, requires to effectively wound the target, in order to give the -2 to bravery.

This means that, knowing how well a SSC performs, it will happen once in a game. Maybe.