Lizardmen win CTC The Old World Championship. https://www.bestcoastpairings.com/event/JD6VTGT1YJ?active_tab=placings Some hope still persists for our scaly friends.
I went ahead and paid for a month of BCP just to see the list Lizardmen - Tournois - [1999pts] # Main Force [1999pts] ## Characters [1000pts] Saurus Oldblood [339pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Great Weapon, Carnosaur, Heavy Armour, Slashing talons, Charmed Shield, Armour of Meteoric Iron Saurus Oldblood [346pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Great Weapon, Shield, Carnosaur, Heavy Armour, Slashing talons, Talisman Of Protection Slann Mage-Priests [315pts]: • 1x Slann Mage-Priest [315pts]: Hand Weapon, General, Wizard Level 4, Battle Magic, Lore Familiar ## Core [569pts] Saurus Warriors [239pts]: Shieldwall • 15x Saurus Warrior [14pts]: Hand Weapon, Heavy Armour, Shield • 1x Spawn Leader [7pts] • 1x Standard Bearer [7pts] 2x Skink Skirmishers [65pts]: Scouts • 11x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields 4x Skink Skirmishers [50pts]: • 10x Skink [5pts]: Hand Weapon, Light Armour, Javelins and Shields ## Special [175pts] Bastiladon [175pts]: Thunderous bludgeon, Solar Engine, 3x Skink Crew, Hand Weapon, Javelin and Shield ## Rare [255pts] Ancient Stegadon [255pts]: 5x Skink Crew, Hand Weapon, Javelin and Shield, Great horns, Engine of the Gods
Even Player Pack here: https://tinyurl.com/mr2rvmj8 Important stuff though: Armies construction will follow the guide listed below. 2000 points Any Grand Army or Army of Infamy list may be used (Including Renegade factions). Unit selections are limited to the restrictions in the army list, OR0-6 for core units and 0-3 for character, special, and rare units, whichever is fewer. No Allies Scenarios The event will use 4 of the scenarios from the rulebook, having one repeated for the first and last rounds of the event: Open Battle Meeting Engagement Mountain Pass Flank Attack Open Battle Scoring Scoring will be done using a 20-0 system. Each game will be scored based on the difference in victory points each player earns (Victory points are scored in the same ways as described in the Warhammer: The Old World rulebook). Work out the difference in victory points and consult the table below. Victory Point Difference TP Score 0-149 : 10-10 150-299 : 11-9 300-449 : 12-8 450-599 : 13-7 600-749 : 14-6 750-899 : 15-5 900-1049 : 16-4 1050-1199 : 17-3 1200-1349 : 18-2 1350-1499 : 19-1 1500 + : 20-0
Our Lizard Player had the following 16 / 11 / 14 / 20 / 10 Ill list the opponents and if they had a dragon/equivalent, and # of mages Round 1: High Elves (no dragons, 1 x lvl 4 w/ high magic) Round 2: Chaos Dwarves (black orc warboss on wyvern, 1 x level 4 w/ elementalism) Round 3: Bretonnians, Erranty Crusade (2 paladin on barded pegasus, Lady Élisse Duchaard w/ elementalism) Round 4: Tomb Kings, Mortuary Cults (2 x level 4, one on a bone dragon w/ illusion, one on foot w/ necromancy, 1 x level 1 w./ elementalism) Round 5: Vampire Counts (1 x level 4 on mortis engine w/ necromancy, 1 terrorgheist in rare) Really surprised the 20-0 win was vs mortuary cults. My guess is the battle magic, EoTG and Solar Beam all just did sooooo much flaming attacks, the Khemri player just couldn't cope. Event had 20 players after 3 drop. Faction breakdown of the 20- Tomb Kings - 4 Bretonnians - 3 Empire - 3 High Elves - 2 Vampire Counts - 2 Beastmen - 2 Dwarfs - 1 Chaos Dwarf - 1 Ogre Kingdoms - 1 Lizardmen - 1
Looking at his list is both awesome and dissapointing. The dual carnos has me STOKED. The "oops, all skinks" aspect of the rest of it is rather sobering. I really don't want to just play 62 skinks. That's not why I picked lizardmen as an army. BUT we all know what they do and do well. I get that. What I am intrigued by is the Slann. No discipline. No protection. Just relying on his natural 5+ ward. The lore familiar with battle magic is intriguing. Obviously avoiding oaken shield on a Slann, but what else was he taking I wonder. You can't charge out of the coneyance spell (since you wouldn't be in the correct subphase). I wonder if he was using arcane urgency to make the bastilladon keep up with the carnosaurs. Great way to get those great weapons swinging at a high I. I wonder if he was taking Arrow Attraction as well just to really help the skinks with their million poison shots.
Well I would not count this a lot. He had just been lucky. Let's analyse the enemies. No HE, no Chaos (and their dragons can simply reduce your carnosaurs in pieces) no shout list from vampire counts or something similar. No tzeeentch lists with +6 casting killing easily skinks. No orc an goblins and fanatics....the most played faction and well performing in my tournaments are just these. No idea why in that tournament there were zero of such. I wonder too if the bretonnian player hade duke on paladin with monster slayer...it doesn't seem so (and its pretty automatically that you have to play this)
Eyyy! Go lizards! I'm a bit surprised that this list did so well. It's not a bad list by any means, and you can see the pieces that made it win (skinks skinks skinks). But I feel like the Slann is a weak link that's easily sniped + there's no Arcane Vassal to really make him worth his points. I like the battle magic + lore familiar though! Also a bit strange to take 2x Oldbloods and then eguip them both with less than 30pts of magic items. I feel like a Scar-vet might've been a better choice here. Very cool to see a different take on the lizards doing so well.
It would be interesting to try 2 carnosaur but I guess that a well equipped oldblood on cowboy could do much better. I don’t know but maybe a oldblood on cold one with 360 degree charge is better than a scar vet on carnosaur with anything except gw and charmed shield. Maybe I am wrong of course
Yeah. I consider something more like this === Lizards 9 [1999 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Lizardmen === ++ Characters [1000 pts] ++ Slann Mage-Priest [400 pts] - Hand weapon - General - Battle Standard Bearer - Lore Familiar - Higher State Of Mind - Battle Magic Skink Priest [350 pts] - Hand weapon - Light armour (Calloused hide) - Level 2 Wizard - Ancient Stegadon [Giant bow + Engine of the Gods] - Earthing Rod - Elementalism Saurus Oldblood [250 pts] - Hand weapon - Heavy armour (Scaly skin) - Shield - Cold-One - Horned One - Talisman of Protection - Dragon Slaying Sword ++ Core Units [569 pts] ++ 15 Saurus Warriors [239 pts] - Hand weapons - Shields - Heavy armour (Scaly skin) - Shieldwall - Spawn Leader (champion) - Standard bearer 11 Skink Skirmishers [65 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) - Scouts 11 Skink Skirmishers [65 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) - Scouts 10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) 10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) 10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) 10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) ++ Special Units [175 pts] ++ Bastiladon [175 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Thunderous bludgeon - Solar Engine ++ Rare Units [255 pts] ++ Ancient Stegadon [255 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Great horns - Engine of the Gods --- Created with "Old World Builder" [https://old-world-builder.com]
If you play the skink on Stegadon you have to take battle magic, the signature spell is so strong to don’t be taken. An oldlord on cold one have only a 50% chance to make a 6 charging an hero on dragon, after that you are dead if not my hits by stomps. And enemies have ward saves too. So personally I don’t like it
It's a shame we are about 10 points over being able to have a Slann with lore familiar, carno,og-blade,tal-prot and a chief of a stegadon. This is roughly.what I would consider a tournament winning list would look like === [2000 pts] Warhammer: The Old World, Lizardmen === ++ Characters [985 pts] ++ Saurus Oldblood [407 pts] - Hand weapon - Heavy armour (Scaly skin) - Shield - General - Carnosaur - Talisman of Protection - Ogre Blade Skink Chief [288 pts] - Additional hand weapon - Light armour (Calloused hide) - Battle Standard Bearer - Stegadon Skink Priest [290 pts] - Hand weapon - Light armour (Calloused hide) - Ancient Stegadon [Giant bow] - Battle Magic ++ Core Units [570 pts] ++ 10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) 10 Skink Skirmishers [55 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) - Patrol Leader (champion) 10 Saurus Warriors [140 pts] - Hand weapons - Shields - Heavy armour (Scaly skin) 10 Skink Skirmishers [55 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) - Patrol Leader (champion) 11 Skink Skirmishers [60 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) - Vanguard 10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) 10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) 10 Skink Skirmishers [50 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) 10 Skink Skirmishers [60 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Shields - Light armour (Calloused hides) - Scouts ++ Rare Units [445 pts] ++ Ancient Stegadon [230 pts] - Great horns and giant bow - Skink Crew (x5) with hand weapons and Javelins (required) Stegadon [215 pts] - Hand weapons - Javelins - Great horns - Giant bow --- Created with "Old World Builder" [https://old-world-builder.com]
Sorry but I don’t really agree. Stegadons aren’t so good except against infantry. Cavalry can easily flank them, monsters with great weapon kill them too quite easily. Yeah of course 4 Stegadons and a carnosaur are tough but I am not sure it will win against for example a Beastman multi monster or against a Bretonnia full of counter charge. Even a chaos could easily eat you up.
Also, alot of tournaments won't let you spam 8 of the same core. Seeing 3 non-core, 6 core be pretty standard