8th Ed. New Lizardmen FAQ's

[arcabis]

The ark is a bubble effect as is the ancient steg. I would assume it hits enemy units in combat as well.

yes this two is a bubble AoE style attack and the bla bla shooting is for the terms of randomized...

 

[Spiney Norman]

Here are a few

Ripperdactyls
Can a skink chieftain mounted on a Ripperdactyl join a unit of Ripperdactyl riders? (Same question re: Tiktaq'to and chieftain on a Terradon)

Does the Ripperdactyl mount of a skink chieftain gain the boosted frenzy vs a unit with a toad since the Ripperdactyl mount does not have the toad rage rule according to its army list entry.

Slann
Can a Slann exchange spells with another Slann (via the Conflabulations rule) so that he has the same spell twice, if so can he cast the spell two times in the same magic phase?

Can a Slann cast a magic missile spell from a bound item through a skink priest using the arcane vassal rule?

 

[arcabis]

Here are a few

Ripperdactyls
Can a skink chieftain mounted on a Ripperdactyl join a unit of Ripperdactyl riders? (Same question re: Tiktaq'to and chieftain on a Terradon)

Does the Ripperdactyl mount of a skink chieftain gain the boosted frenzy vs a unit with a toad since the Ripperdactyl mount does not have the toad rage rule according to its army list entry.

Slann
Can a Slann exchange spells with another Slann (via the Conflabulations rule) so that he has the same spell twice, if so can he cast the spell two times in the same magic phase?

Can a Slann cast a magic missile spell from a bound item through a skink priest using the arcane vassal rule?

the ripper of a chief use the same profile as the normal ripper ..... so.....??
aslo for the first we still looking at it
for the slann i dont know

 

[Spiney Norman]

Here are a few

Ripperdactyls
Can a skink chieftain mounted on a Ripperdactyl join a unit of Ripperdactyl riders? (Same question re: Tiktaq'to and chieftain on a Terradon)

Does the Ripperdactyl mount of a skink chieftain gain the boosted frenzy vs a unit with a toad since the Ripperdactyl mount does not have the toad rage rule according to its army list entry.

Slann
Can a Slann exchange spells with another Slann (via the Conflabulations rule) so that he has the same spell twice, if so can he cast the spell two times in the same magic phase?

Can a Slann cast a magic missile spell from a bound item through a skink priest using the arcane vassal rule?

the ripper of a chief use the same profile as the normal ripper ..... so.....??
aslo for the first we still looking at it
for the slann i dont know

You might want to re-check your army book, the army list entry for ripperdactyls as character mounts on p87 does not include the toad rage special rule. The problem actually is that the toad rage rule allows you to place a toad marker AND to take advantage of the powered up frenzy. I suspect they intended the chieftains dactyl to get the powered up frenzy vs a unit with a toad, but not place a toad itself.

 

[zZ HYPNOS Zz]

Regarding the Kroak spell, the arc, and the engine, I have been looking at these over and over mostly because of Kroak.

Technically the arc is shooting so it can hit in a 360 but the engine ad Kroak have direct damage spells. Both the spell listings don't seem to override the front arc and not attacking into combat that the direct damage spell has. The last rulebook allowed 360 coverage and casting into combat but also had no concept of direct damage.

I'm really just hoping this was an oversight like the flying SC but as of now it looks like these guys have lost a lot of power.

 

[OmegaHavoc]

After reading the brb pg 31 as well as the faq, direct damage spells do not require los. Also if they are a template, which kroaks spell and burning alignment are not, it cannot be placed over an enemy unit in combat.

It seems to me that both of these bubble spells will hit all enemy units within range regardless of los or if they are in combat.

 

[Maert]

After reading the brb pg 31 as well as the faq, direct damage spells do not require los.

Not LOS, but they do require front arc.

Also if they are a template, which kroaks spell and burning alignment are not, it cannot be placed over an enemy unit in combat.

And Direct Damage spells cannot target units in combat.

It seems to me that both of these bubble spells will hit all enemy units within range regardless of los or if they are in combat.

Full wording of the spells would go a long way to see how to the spells interact with the Direct Damage rules.

 

[OmegaHavoc]

Nowhere in the rules does it say your target needs to lay within your front arc.
Edit: Must be in front arc. Don't know how I missed the first targeting rule on my read through.


The wording for targeting says "wizards cannot target spells at units engaged in close combat." These two spells do not require you to declare a target upon casting the spell so I would think the bubble would still affect the enemy units even if engaged in close combat. Same logic for front arc.

 

[zZ HYPNOS Zz]

Full wording of the spells would go a long way to see how to the spells interact with the Direct Damage rules.

Basically Deliverance of Itza says "direct damage spell that targets all enemy units within 12". Each target suffers 2D6 S4 ..." and then range increases for casting increases.

Burning Alignment says "direct damage spell that targets every enemy unit within 4D6"..." D6 S4 dist. as per shooting.

I can't think of any other "bubble" direct damage spells but there are plenty of hex's and aug's. I guess the issue with that comparison is that there is no front arc restriction with those spells so nothing is being "overriden".

Looking into the wording again though I think the specific targeting of the spell is key. These general direct damage spells say "choose" a target and unless otherwise noted it must be in range, forward arc, and not in combat. The wording on these two spells however do say "all" and "every". I guess I'm being a bit biased now but it seems like those words override the targeting restrictions of the general direct damage spell and only keep the range.

So yeah. Basically what OmegaHavoc said.

The wording for targeting says "wizards cannot target spells at units engaged in close combat." These two spells do not require you to declare a target upon casting the spell so I would think the bubble would still affect the enemy units even if engaged in close combat. Same logic for front arc.

 

[Spiney Norman]

So, just checking here, but if you cast deliverance of Itza through an arcane vassal, you use that model as the centra of the bubble correct?

I can see a flying disposable priest being pretty useful used alongside Kroak