I think there just isn't a lot of conversation around how to actually play your game so things like "saurus being bad at the tippy top of competitive play" sort of get distilled down into them being bad all the time. And you have casual players who don't wanna get rolled just assuming they can't play with saurus cause they want to "at least stand a chance." It shouldn't be harder with some lists than others to win, but it is. I'm not saying that isn't true. I'm just saying people can get better results in their games by actually being better at the game so why don't we talk about that more? Instead it just seems like the conversation is inevitably steered towards "dump saurus spam salamander." My favorite seraphon list has 30 warriors and 2 carnosaurs in it. It's an absolute monster to play into and I've beaten some good players and good lists with it. I'm not gonna bring it to a tournament because I generally have delusions of trying to do well at tournaments, but I think it's an easy 3-2 list for sure. Basically I think stuff is a lot more fluid and down to player agency then the conversation generally let's on and we should at least have that in the back of our minds. If koatls or slaanesh can go 5-0 and beast of Chaos and dread saurian lists can go 4-1 in tournaments, I imagine they'll do just fine at pick up games.