8th Ed. power limit + rumination question

[shahryar]

Well more of a what if scenario to help me understand how these work together.
If I roll two 6s I will of course be at my limit but if I then cast a spell using 6 die am I then considered at 6 die for the sake of focused rumination or would I still no get that free die?

 

[Arli]

True. Unless in a tournament that has rules against using it, focused rumination gives you an extra power die fro each spell that you cast. So, in your example, if you get the 12 dice, you could use 4 or 5 dice to cast a spell. Then you could start using your extra die for each spell and get more use from the remaining dice.

 

[Coatl]

Just to be clear, technically what happens when you have 12 dice for WoM and channeling is as follows:
you get 12 power dice
you decide to cast a spell
you use 3 dice + 1 free dice
since you are over your 12 power dice cap, you must remove a power dice from your pool
you then attempt to cast your spell

it is in a sense the same thing as saying "ill just use 4 power dice from the pool and not use rumination" but i just wanted to say what the distinction was. you dont get the option of choosing to use rumination or not, it says you add an extra power dice to each casting attempt, not you MAY add an extra power dice. its not an option but it ends up being the same thing

 

[HoverBoy]

Just to be clear, technically what happens when you have 12 dice for WoM and channeling is as follows:
you get 12 power dice
you decide to cast a spell
you use 3 dice + 1 free dice
since you are over your 12 power dice cap, you must remove a power dice from your pool
you then attempt to cast your spell

it is in a sense the same thing as saying "ill just use 4 power dice from the pool and not use rumination" but i just wanted to say what the distinction was. you dont get the option of choosing to use rumination or not, it says you add an extra power dice to each casting attempt, not you MAY add an extra power dice. its not an option but it ends up being the same thing

Even so i still don't think you would loose an actual power dice, the book says any generated dice over 12 are lost since the rumination dice is the one being generated it would seem you loose that dice rather than one from the pool.
So in your example it would actually be:
you get 12 power dice
you decide to cast a spell
you use 3 dice + 1 free dice
since you are over your 12 power dice cap, you must remove your free dice
you then attempt to cast your spell

 

[shahryar]

so it would end up being
3 power pool
+1 rumination
-1 rumination do to over cap
= casting using 3 dice.

 

[walach]

yeah, pretty much.

easier IMO to consider it as follows: if you're at 12 dice, you can't use rumination on your first spell that phase. simples?

 

[Cravenus]

Lizardmen with a slann and the extra die ability, have a power die pool limit of 11. no fuss, no muss.

 

[HoverBoy]

Either way the effect would be the same.

 

[Coatl]

umm i think we're in agreement here, but your still looking at it in an odd way. the "free" dice from rumination is added to the casting attempt, not the pool. the brb states if you are over 12 power dice at any point, you must remove the excess from your power pool. these are separate points. so when you add the free dice to your casting attempt, youd be over 12, and therefore must remove the a dice from your power pool. so itd be like i stated before:
12 power pool
3 to cast
+1 from rumination
-1 from pool
total of 4 for the cast, 8 left in your pool

 

[HoverBoy]

Same difference. In the end rumination wont matter as the same amount of dice are removed from the paal as youy rolled to cast.

 

[Idura]

This will probably only matter when you run with special rules (only possible to generate 2pd per WoM phase) for example...