8th Ed. Question about chameleons

The army builder states that chameleons can ignore the minimum distance placement rule when deployed as scouts. This would be awesome! I can't find this in the book though, so I don't use it. Where can I find this or where did it come from?

 

It comes from 7th edition, I think it is still in the army book but it doesn't apply anymore.

 

Cool. thanx for the reply. I couldn't even find it in the army book though.

No big deal, I'm not using it. Sure would be sweet though

 

Actually I think this was the case in the old Lizardmen army book. Which means 6th ed. and early 7th.

I think the rule went something like they could be deployed anywhere visible with the normal scouting restrictions or anywhere outside 2" and out of LOS.

BR
Agrem

 

The rule in question is the "Aquatic" Rule on page 41. It no longer applies because in 8th ed you have to be at least 12" away from all enemy units and being in or "out of sight" is no longer realevant. But I just realised that since Army book trumps main rule book by RAW definition you only need to be 10" away.

 

lol, i didn`t know that.
I have been deploying them 12", so this means they are even better.

 

Actually the rule states that "...they must still deploy 10" or more..." So by RAW the army book doesn't trump anything and by the rules in BRB they must be deployed 12" away from enemy.

Anyway I think you could just argue this as much as you want but I think it just shows good sportmanship to play the scout rules as they were intended.

BR
Agrem

 

I`m all for good sportmanship.

But if i can place them 10" away instead of 12", that would be a world of difference.
The rules are the rules, i could also place them in my own deployment zone for good sportmanship.

So i would like to know is it legal to place them at +10" or not?

sorry for my bad english.

 

RAW (8th): It would only be legal if you are 10" away and in water (2" from the edge).
RAI (8th): 12" just like everyone else

The number of times that you will be able to exploit those 2" are minimal anyway.

 

Maybe an stupit question but i realy don`t know what it means.

what is RAW and RAI

 

I'm assuming read as written and read as intended?

 

Close. Rules as Written, and Rules as Intended.

 

Typically the rules lawyer pushes RAW over RAI to try to get a rule to benefit them in a specific instance.

Where people lack in skill they make up for in arguing, lack of common sense and searching for grey areas.

The intention of the rule should, and does, for people who enjoy the tactics/strategy overrule the Rule as Written which CAN NOT be applied to all instances. However, the INTENT of the rule can.

It is truly amazing how crappy most WFB players are and look for the rules lawyering to compensate for skill.


In your group, if you run into situations like this simply decide how it will be interpreted FOR ALL occasions...or as general as you can, then WRITE IT DOWN so the childish interpretations/arguing do not become a factor of the game.

The Intent of the rule (WHY it is written) is more important then exactly HOW it is written.

The rules are written to guide the game, and no rules set can be written to account for all situations, however, the intent behind the rule can, for the most part be applied to all situations.


P.S: Army Builder is full of errors. The scouting rule and the Chams scouting rules are pretty clearly written.

 

Actually the aquatic rule says "deploy 10" or more from enemy troops as normal." Even if you want to get all technical and RAW on that line the "as normal" part pretty much snuffs out any grey area. Normal is 12" for scouts in 8th.


Pyre