Im thinking of taking 1 SMP-3 discp, 1 SMP-1 discp 1 EOTG with lev 2 SP 1 EOTG with lev 2 SP 1 skink cheif with SWP on ancient stegadon(may go with reg stego) SKink priest lev 1 2 blocks of 16 saurus warriors, one with spears 2 blocks of 10 skirmishing skinks 1 squad of 18 temple guard 2 salamansders 1 razordon I have more skinks, and i have to rough out the list with magic items, but this is a rough draft. Definatly going with the cup of old hands, mainly for the second scenario. just imagine, rolling a miscast,, popping the cup of hands and then rolling a 2!!!! you just killed whichever mage you can see on your enemies side, and done aoe damage to boot. Arent VC generals mages?????