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AoS What weighs several tonnes, draws ratmen like flies and sounds awful? 1000 pt game vs Screaming Bell

Discussion in 'Seraphon Army Lists' started by LordBaconBane, Jul 4, 2019.

  1. LordBaconBane
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    LordBaconBane Well-Known Member

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    Hello fellow Slanns!

    I am preparing a great battle against the Skaven in a few days. They have a Grey Seer on a screaming bell, at least two full units of clan rats, and most likely, two claw lords, and two warlock engineers. There is the possibility of warp-fire thrower teams instead of warlocks, but we will see.

    I am preparing to summon in an army to match this foul horde. Here is my planned force and plan:

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Mortal Realm: Not using

    LEADERS:
    Slann Starmaster
    (260)
    - General
    - Command Trait : Great Rememberer
    - Spell : Stellar Tempest
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (160)

    Skink Starpriest (80)
    - Spell : Walk between realms

    Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One (100)
    - Artefact : Blade of Realities

    UNITS:
    20 x Saurus Warriors (180)
    - Spears
    5 x Saurus Knights (80)
    - Blades

    BEHEMOTHS:
    Troglodon
    (140)

    TOTAL: 1000/1000
    EXTRA COMMAND POINTS: 0
    WOUNDS: 66

    The Plan

    - This Skaven leader is notoriously aggressive. He will undoubtable attempt to reach my forces as fast as possible
    - I will primarily be focused on casting spells
    - I will use "Great Rememberer" to move around the field, picking my engagements, and casting spells at vulnerable points.
    - Walk Between Realms will allow my Saurus Warriors to move over terrain (we expect many obstacles) and use the drum synergies to keep our distance
    - Saurus Knights and Scar-Veteran will attempt to target either the Screaming Bell or weakened units
    - The Troglodon will serve as a vassal to cast spells and provide support, especially with its bravery modification stacking with Saurus banners and a potential cast of Celestial Apotheosis.
    - Astrolith will provide greater chance to cast spells, especially if I land the correct constellation.

    What do you think of list fellow Slanns? I also considered bringing a powerful Stegadon with flame throwers to the battle, but I would need to rework the list.

    Thank you.
     
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  2. ThePhilosopherX
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    ThePhilosopherX Active Member

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    You may want to put gryph-feather charm on your Slaan instead of using blade of realities, as your opponent will likely target your Slaan. If you’re not using realm artefacts, then putting incandescent rectrices on your Slaan is another good option.
    Also, it is generally better to use clubs when you have 20 or less Saurus Warriors, but if you have spears already modelled then that’s fine.
    Good luck in your battle!
     
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  3. General Grivious
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    Hi :D

    I always play against Skaven and I think you should put on your list some Rippers or Razordons to clean the 80 clanrats that will surely use.
    I don't know if the Saurus are the best choice but with STARLIGHT they can old objectifs (if he play with canon you are in troubles xd)
    The knights.... i don't think they are going to kill some stuff, probably you should use them like a first wave (with Starlight) to get some time or grab objectifs...(With 5 knight I always make 3/4 wounds... and never get MW T-T)

    I would personally play with a Shadowstrike Starhost, but in your list, you could swap the troglodon and Scar vet by 2*3 razzordons or just swap the troglodon by razzordons (you should summon Rippers and skinks). With the Astolith bearer I think It's enough range (24+8) to cast stellar against 40 clanrats xD - if you can put Balewind vortex is +6" and 1 more cast for summonig ^^. Stegadon is a good choice to, but 200 pts is complicated in 1k...
     
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  4. LizardWizard
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    I would play Shadowstrike Starhost. Either of the two list depending on how daring you want to be.

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Mortal Realm: Ulgu

    LEADERS:
    Skink Starpriest
    (80)
    - General
    - Command Trait : Master of Star Rituals
    - Artefact : Miasmatic Blade
    - Spell : Stellar Tempest

    Skink Priest (80)
    - Cloak of Feathers
    - Artefact : Betrayer's Crown


    UNITS:
    6 x Ripperdactyl Riders (280)
    10 x Skinks (70)
    - Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers
    10 x Skinks (70)
    - Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers
    3 x Razordons (120)
    3x Razordons (120)

    BATTALIONS:
    Shadowstrike Starhost
    (180)

    TOTAL: 1000/1000
    EXTRA COMMAND POINTS: 1
    WOUNDS: 64

    Allegiance: Seraphon
    - Mortal Realm: Ulgu

    LEADERS:
    Slann Starmaster
    (260)
    - General
    - Command Trait : Great Rememberer
    - Artefact : Miasmatic Blade
    - Spell : Stellar Tempest

    Skink Starpriest (80)
    - Artefact : Betrayer's Crown
    - Spell : Meteoric Convocation


    UNITS:
    6 x Ripperdactyl Riders (280)
    10 x Skinks (70)
    - Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers
    10 x Skinks (70)
    - Meteoric Javelins & Star Bucklers

    BATTALIONS:
    Shadowstrike Starhost
    (180)

    ENDLESS SPELLS / TERRAIN:
    Balewind Vortex
    (40)

    TOTAL: 980/1000
    EXTRA COMMAND POINTS: 1
    WOUNDS: 49
     
  5. pendrake
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    Trying to figure out the opposing force


    Allegiance: Skaventide

    Leaders
    Grey Seer on Screaming Bell (200)
    - General
    Warlock Engineer (100)
    Warlock Engineer (100)

    Battleline
    40 x Clanrats (200)
    - Rusty Blade
    40 x Clanrats (200)
    - Rusty Spear

    Units
    1 x Warpfire Thrower (70)
    1 x Warpfire Thrower (70)

    Endless Spells / Terrain
    Vermintide (40)

    Total: 980 / 1000
    Extra Command Points: 0
    Allies: 0 / 200
    Wounds: 109
     
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  6. LizardWizard
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    Razordons and Ripperdactyls are your best options to chew through the Clanrats. 6 Rippers in a Shadowstrike Starhost should clear through one of the 40x Clanrats on their own. Or least they always have for me. If you bring the first list I posted then the Betrayer's Crown and 6 Razordons can greatly thin the other unit by half or more. You can almost certainly accomplish this turn one or two with very little your opponent can do to impede you.

    If you want the Betrayer's Crown to pop turn one, then make the reg Skink Priest w/feathercloak your General and give him nimble. With the extra movement and Stealthy Advance he should be able to make a turn one charge.

    At only 4 drops you will likely be able to dictate turn order. Make the Skaven Player go first and then cripple his Clanrats. With luck you will double turn him and then be able to send your surviving Rippers into the Screaming Bell.
     
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  7. LordBaconBane
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    Thanka for the tips fellow Slanns! I should have specified... I have no razordons and only 1 unit of Rippers worth :(
     
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  8. LizardWizard
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    What do you have for Bastiladons?
     
  9. LordBaconBane
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    I can do either loadout, magnetized one.
     
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  10. LizardWizard
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    Using one or two shooting Bastiladons isn't a bad idea. You want to fight his Clanrats at range if you only have 3 Rippers. You should definitely use the 3x Rippers you have. I wouldn't bother with the battalion though.
     
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  11. LizardWizard
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    What all Seraphon models do you own? I don't want to build you a list that you can't field.
     
  12. LordBaconBane
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    Slann
    40 skinks
    30 Saurus Warriors
    5 knights
    5 chameleon skinks
    1 Scar veteran on Cold One
    3 rippers
    3 terradons
    2 skink star priests
    Trog
    Two carnosaurs both loadouts
    Engine of the Gods/Stegadon. Magnetized so only one.
    Bastilidon, magnetized for loadouts.
    1 Sunblood
    1 Saurus Old Blood on foot
    1 Salamander.

    I think that is everything.

    No endless spells though.
     
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    LizardWizard Grand Skink Handler Staff Member

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    Allegiance: Seraphon
    Mortal Realm: Ulgu

    Leaders:
    Skink Starpriest
    (80)
    - General
    - Trait: Master of Star Rituals
    - Spell: Stellar Tempest
    Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (240)
    - Artefact: Doppelganger Cloak

    Battleline:
    10 x Skinks (70)
    - Boltspitters & Star Bucklers
    10 x Skinks (70)
    - Boltspitters & Star Bucklers

    Units:
    3 x Ripperdactyl Riders (140)
    3 x Terradon Riders (120)
    - Sunleech Bolas

    Behemoths:
    Bastiladon
    (280)

    Total: 1000 / 1000
    Extra Command Points: 0
    Allies: 0 / 200
    Wounds: 62
     
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  14. Lizerd
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    of The lists I have seen here, that one looks excellent. A carnosaur can have absurd effects on low bravery skaven and it can also wriggle around battleshock immunity stuff. I would definitely say use that army just based on the stuff you have.
     
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  15. ThePhilosopherX
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    Do you always recommend Doppelganger Cloak on carnosaurs or do you use other artifacts from time to time?
     
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    While a lot of people see success with doppelgänger cloaks, you can attain a similar result with a screen of chaff or saurus knights. I would argue that an artifact that increases rend is a,ways helpful with an oldblood on carnosaur to help ensure maximum damage
     
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    Unfortunately screaming bell gives battleshock immunity:(
     
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  18. LordBaconBane
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    Were not running with mortal realms, just regular items.
     
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  19. LizardWizard
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    Anytime I have Rippers and a Behemoth I like to take the Doppelganger's Cloak. That way I am not forced to take the hit with either of the two units before they swing. Offensive artifacts can be awesome, but the OB Carno doesn't really need them.
     
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    Perhaps Coronal Shield, Blade of Realities, or Light of Dracothion then. If you are playing with Endless Spells then I recommend the Light of Dracothion to stop Warp Lighting Vortex.
     
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