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    Slann

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    The Seraphon Legend

    A team of four mules plodded along, pulling a finely crafted Duardin wagon. Carved wood and steel, a few precious metals accented the wagon. Could be hauling anything. Fine armour, guns and powder, gem stones, at the very least some of the most potent ale you could ever ask for. The bearded driver had been wearing his driving gear, scarf, goggles, hat, and gloves, and of course his trusty rifle across his lap. Suddenly he looked around and reached down for his rifle. Too late. 3 shots echoed in the clearing and one of the wooden wheels of the wagon shattered. The corner of the cart and axle digging into the ground. The two lead mules brayed loudly as they slumped over to die, blood spilling out their necks at a rapid pace. The other two mules kicking and braying to try to get away. A flurry of cross bow bolts came screaming through the air, destroying the Duardin drivers arm and sending his rifle flying. Cursing himself for not smoking his pipe, he frantically searched for his flint with his remaining arm. Under the seat was enough black powder to destroy the cart. His signature self-destruct plan to keep enemies from benefiting from his death. It was too late. Three assailants, a Human, an Aelf exile, and most heartbreakingly, one of his own approached. "May the Seraphon drag you to the fiery pits of death." Were his final words.

    The unlikely trio sat around their camp fire in the woods. Surrounded by tall thick evergreen trees, they cooked mule meat and drank the beautiful Duardin ale. A finely crafted Duardin wagon with one ill-fitting wheel attached to a team of two mules sat nearby.

    "I didn't think your people were a superstitious lot there Halstein." The ex-witch hunter in retort to the victim's final curse.

    "A man of Sigmar such as yourself has surely heard of the devils called Seraphon." came the gruff retort from the grizzled beard.

    "Just what I heard from my grand sire and all the old wives trying to scare children into a good life." Said ex witch hunter Pulcifer.

    "Seems that all of our peoples have a myth about these creatures." Chimed in the dark haired Aelf.

    "Go on then. Let's hear what the Aelfs know of these Daemons." Pulcifer said before biting into the tough, stringy mule meat.

    "Very well. The tales I heard go back to when the realms were all contained on one world. In that world was these lizard beasts. They would keep to themselves, hoarding gold in their pyramids deep within the jungle and sacrificing to false gods. When the chaos daemons attacked that world, the lizard beasts would not stir from their jungles. The leaders were said to be giant toads with the power of the gods. Aelfs, Duardin, and Man would come to them begging for their power in battle. But the big toads would just fall asleep. The wars raged, and the toads with the godlike powers slept until it was too late. The chaos was winning and destroying the world. Instead of using their magic to help the other races fight, they tried to flee the world. Malerion was angered by their cowardice and captured every one of the scaly bastards. Malerion harnessed the power of the toads and was able to split the world into the realms to continue the fight. As punishment for their inaction, Malerion took the captured lizard people, and infused them with chaos Daemons he had also captured. He made them the same stock as the Daemons to serve as a constant reminder that they were just as responsible for the apocalypse as the other Daemons. Now they serve as guards of the afterlife. Dragging beings of chaos kicking and screaming to the afterlife to keep them in fiery prisons to prevent their return to the realms of the mortals." Garth finished his tale and took a swig of the ill-gotten ale.

    "Seems to me, that you said Malerion when surely you meant Sigmar." Said Pulcifer snidely.

    "This is why you are my best friend, and my most hated enemy. You know damn well I mean Malerion. You stick up for your god even after how far you have fallen from his grace. What do you Imperials know of the Seraphon?" Spat the Aelf.

    "Let's not bring up the painful past, you have your own to worry about. Your accent with the soft consonants still brings my blood to a boil." Stuttered Pulcifer

    "Get on with it." Interjected Halstein.

    "Right. While I don't know about your old world claims, I do know the story of the Seraphon. Sigmar was making his Stormcast, an army of guardians and avengers. Nearly perfect. But for the one imperfect ingredient. Souls. As his legion fought the damned chaos, the chaos in turn damned a few of the Stormcast, which caused them to become prideful, thinking that they could rule High Azyr, thinking they could be greater Gods than Sigmar. Their true forms taking shape of the slimy little cold blooded lizards. They created a civil war in High Azyr, battling the Stormcast in bloody conflict until Sigmar returned. Sigmar showed these fallen angels his true power. He banished them to an unknown place, and tasked them with tormenting the souls unworthy of becoming Stormcast. Souls like their own. Eternal damnation in the hell fires of High Azyr. Eternal damnation by the eternally damned." The Man twirled his well-groomed moustache.

    "Ach! The pair of you haven't a clue." The short and stout Halstein exclaimed, well into his cups.

    "Oh? You think the people who live under a rock would know better?" Quipped the Aelf.

    "Oh aye. We keep our records like we keep our grudges. Now the thing about the Seraphon is they do not fear death. They are the grim reapers. They are death. You might say Nagash is the God of death, but Nagash is just a puppet. The true God of Death is a Seraphon. He goes by the grim name 'Lord Kroak.' When you see him, you'll croak. Dead for innumerable ages. His power so great that he controls the stars in the sky. Said to call down mighty comets from the night sky to smite the criminals and the chaotic. He sends his Lizardmen, 7 foot tall warriors, down to the realms, to drag the living sinners to the realm of the afterlife. A large powerful frog man looks deep into your soul. You are judged, and if you are unworthy, he finds your deepest fears and makes you relive them for the rest of time. If you are judged worthy your soul becomes a lesser Lizardman, Small and fast, you scour the realms for sinners and report back to Lord Kroak, the true God of Death. If you see a Seraphon it's too late. You're already dead. Also... OH NO THEY'RE RIGHT BEHIND YOU!"

    The stone faced expressions of the Man and Aelf did not flinch.

    "Well you two are no fun." Laughed the Bearded one.

    "You think we will fall for your childish..." The man trailed off, his stone face twisting to a grimace of horror.

    Garth ran for the trees, Pulcifer ran for the wagon and snapped the mules into a run.

    "Really funny, trying to use my own jokes on me." Were the last words the Duardin uttered before a red mist sprayed over the fire. The head hit the ground toward the fire, the short stout body fell away from the fire.

    The Aelf hid high up in the trees. His black cloak blending into the trees. He slowed his breathing and took stock of the surrounding environment. The needles from the tree had scratched him up, but he had seemed safe. That was until the tree across from him seemed to come alive. As the things in the trees dropped their camouflage he saw several small lizards, seeming to grin at him. Then a stinging pain. Then his body fell heavy on to the ground below. Paralyzed, he lay there feeling every second of pain until death took him. Cursing Halstein for getting the luxury of a swift death.

    Pulcifer did not look back. Going as fast as his lopsided wagon and mules would take him. He made it out to the road. Only ten kilometers from the nearest town. He prayed for the first time in years. Promising himself that he would go back to the righteous path. Repenting his wicked ways. Then the wagon came to a sudden halt as the mules reared up. In front of him giant Lizard like men on their lizard like steeds. The one out front, the biggest and meanest looking one stared directly into Witch Hunter Pulcifer’s eyes. He swore it was looking into his soul. From behind him a smaller Lizard man put a hand on his shoulder and sniffed the seat of the wagon. It sent a shiver up his spine. He tried to swat away the little devil. It leapt from the seat and was gone. Pulcifer stood to dismount his wagon but he saw the big Lizard charging towards him. The lance it lowered lit up with hell fire. Pulcifer tried to jump but the wagon exploded. The heat was intense. Pulcifer felt his clothes melting into his flesh and his flesh twisting as it boiled under the extreme heat. Tears of pain turning to steam and blinding him. An excruciating minute of burning before his body finally gave out and he was a smoldering corpse. The last thought that ran through his mind was Halstein saying "If you see a Seraphon it's too late. You're already dead."
     
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    Slann

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    @Scalenex said:
    This shows off my ignorance to most other races in the warhammer fluff. My research mostly comes from 1d4 chan. I haven't read any of GW books save for rule/army books. He was supposed to be a dark aelf. The only fluff I know outside the 8th edition army book and the Seraphon battletome comes from this site.
    Also I won't do a prequel. I think like the Joker or Wolverine, any backstory attemlted would be disappointing, and thus better left up to the imagination of the reader.

    @discomute said:
    I hate the words aelf and duardin. I do like Seraphon. Don't ask me why I like this one over the other two. I included them in this story thinking they would read okay. They just seem clunky.

    @thedarkfourth said:
    In my head this made sense. We had a continuity that people knew how to write for. Seemed simple to write the road to El Dorado. Now we have an almost blank slate. It's no longer lush jungles, explorers and amazons fighting with or against lizardmen. So the change came with the inconsistency of writing for something that are stars by day and warriors of virtue by night. Or something to that effect.

    @spawning of Bob said:
    See above. The total ignorance of seraphon and what and why they are, or why they do what they do, is illustrated by three urban legends with a different take. The stories are meaningless tall tales, but any of them could be true. Seraphon can be written to fill a lot of different roles.

    @Y'ttar Scaletail said:
    The Lord Kroak one was the idea that sparked the whole thing. My initial thoughts on continuity and change was trying to write a humorous tale of choosing to change, flying off to the age of sigmar or sticking behind to forge through to a 9th age.
    With characters like Inky, Blinky, Winky, Stinky, and Pinky the skinks and Morris, Norris, Boris, Horace, and Chloris the Saurus. Arguing back and forth. In the end the bit I wrote wasnt very funny and was scrapped altogether. So I was arguing that I could beat Nagash with Lord Kroak and he would be the champion dead guy. Dead guy became death god and that was it. Why wouldn't there be legends of a different god of death?

    So all that being said, legends. In general. Having urban legends, oral traditions and fables, fairy tales, fiction literature in your universe. When writing another race do you think of these things to add to the cultural background? " My race fears Dwarfs."
    " Why?"
    "They shot the king."
    Kinda boring.
    "The legend says that they mine inder your house, listen to everything that goes on. Every year on the festival of snow, if you're household is good they bring you gold from the mine. If your house is bad, it disappears into a sinkhole. The family never to be heard from again."

    The audience may know better, but if they encounter a dwarf this could lead to comedy, or just changes how you write the character around the dwarf. Suddenly a gruff character is forcing pleasantries and sharing his rations.

    Thoughts, ideas, or criticism?
     
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    Well Seraphon is kind of new. Granted it sort of sounds like words for "snake" and "angel" but that juxtaposition is awesome. Aelf loosely comes from Norse I believe, at least I'm pretty sure they have something similar. It came up a few times in Riordan's first book that utilized Norse mythology but even there in a setting where Riordan tried to utilize his research, the characters preferred to use "elf" thinking the older pronunciation sounded weird. The renamed Dwarves, I'm not sure about. I think it might be a slightly letter scattered version of Thor's clan in the Hobbit.
     
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    Well at least that makes some sense! Aelf isn't so bad, just an extra letter, but it's going to get pronounced elf anyway. Duarfin I think would have been a better choice so it's still pronounced the same, mostly.
     
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    I agree with the point but maybe not the examples. I think the Joker SOMETIMES work better without backstory. I think the animated movies Mask of the Phantasm and Under the Red Hood do a good job incorporating Jack Napier's pre-Joker life, generally biting him in the ass in some way. I think the Tim Burton Batman did an adequate job incorporating in the Joker's backstory. Probably because Jack Nicholson is a really versatile actor. I think it was a good call not going deep in his backstory with The Dark Knight. I disliked all the Wolverine origin movies, but enjoyed the Wolverine origins graphic novel.

    But your basic point stands, going too deep in your characters' backstories probably wouldn't help the story much. I still would like to see you write a piece with long term character development at some point in the future.

    Any event, for what it's worth, your piece was my third favorite. I actually didn't cast my third vote for a long time. It was a hard choice between your piece and "Loom and the Threshold." Perhaps I was influenced by external factors. At the time giving "Loom" my third choice would have broken the temporary three way tie (and I wanted "Blasphemy" to win, not that I'm upset "Loom", there were ELEVEN winning pieces in the last contest.)

    Ultimately I chose your piece over loom because "Loom" needed a haircut. Bowser you are pretty good at writing concisely. Something I am continually myself. I tend to be wordy. Just look at this meandering critique...

    Oh yeah, I added this story to your Lustriapedia index.
     
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    I am working on something with some characters. Probably not the big character arc it should be. But I am enlisting a proof reader/critic, and having a couple of friends read through it. So it will evolve from the current incarnation. Maybe when yours is posted, if you have the time, I will send it your way to hammer it out further.
     
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    Back on point. I am training someone today, so I do have a bit of time!
    What about propaganda? Playing off of stereotypes it would be easy to make former allies creatures of legend. Look at the propaganda from around the late 1930's into the 1940's. To this day many Americans don't actually understand communism, they just know it's bad and unAmerican. The brilliant Sun Turns Gears Of War They are ready to go to war.
    Beastmen nearby. Only one sees them as refugees. The rest see them as a threat.
    This could be expressed through legends or propaganda. To war or not to war. Dehumanizing (delizardizing?) A supposed enemy who may have no interest in fighting.
     
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    I did say that, but I also said it was my favorite story!
     
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    Haha! That's true! I was agreeing with your age of copyright statement as I do find the new names clunky, and in some cases I cringe typing them!
     
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    Do a google image search on the term "Seraphon" and ignore the GW models. You might notice a disturbing theme. GW could have done a little more research when choosing that name. :cool:
     
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    Huh. Welp, time to change armies. :vomit: hahaha! Seriously that's oddly specific, yet oddly hilarious.
     
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