AoS Invincible Lord Kroak?

Is Kroak's death rule a battleshock test?

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Would anyone reading this consider Kroak's "Dead for innumerable ages" special rule to be a battleshock test to determine whether he is slain?
Because, if so, taking him as a general means you could use the "Inspiring presence" command ability on Kroak meaning that you don't have to make battleshock tests thus making him totally invincible and a potent combat character at that.
 
(lets check the rules)
Hmmm... Doesn't specifically say it's a "battleshock tests"
but it is a test during the battleshock tests phase ..?
(seriously GW) :facepalm:

COMMAND ABILITY
In your hero phase, your general can use
one command ability. All generals have the
Inspiring Presence command ability, and
some may have more on their warscroll.
Inspiring Presence: Pick a unit from your
army that is within 12" of your general. the
unit that you pick does not have to take
battleshock tests until your next hero phase.
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Abilities
Dead for Innumerable Ages: Lord Kroak’s
physical form is ancient, withered and
preserved only by his indomitable spirit.
As such, he is immune to all but the most
devastating attacks – those which can
temporarily divorce his consciousness
from his corpse.
In the battleshock phase of each turn, roll
a dice and add the number of wounds that
Lord Kroak suffered during the turn. If
the result is higher than his Bravery, he
is ‘slain’. Otherwise, any wounds he has
suffered are immediately healed. If an
ability or rule would cause him to be slain
outright, he is not; instead, he suffers D6
mortal wounds.
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In the 4 page rules booklet it says that all generals get inspiring presence as a command ability alongside others that they may have on their warscroll
 
Dont all generals automatically get inspiring presense.
 
The test happens in the battleshock phase so how would it not be a battleshock test? Also, why not have a 2nd Slann or some other character be the general and derive the Inspiring Presence effect from the other character? Kroak does not have to be the general; any model can be the general.
 
ok, fixed the quote.
 
It's not a Battleshock test though, is it? Units that have lost models take Battleshock tests. Monsters, for example, take no tests.

"To make a battleshock test, roll a dice and
add the number of models from the unit
that have been slain this turn. For each
point by which the total exceeds the highest
Bravery characteristic in the unit, one model
in that unit must flee and is removed from
play."

For Kroak, it's just a test in the Battleshock phase. I don't think that Inspiring Presence works for him.
 
It is not a battleshock test, its a special rule that takes place in the battleshock phase.
Besides, it CANT be a battleshock test as such a test doesn't trigger unless there have been CASUALTIES in the form of MODELS removed.

Double besides: why not just word it "lord kroak takes a battleshock test and adds the number of wounds he has taken this round".
 
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I think it's because that would imply that he would flee if he failed the test..? :meh:
 
If it was a battleshock test then I have my new gameplan.....

Protector army list = Lord Kroak
Sudden Death Choice = Endure
= I win against anyone with 2 or more models lolz

But no I don't think it is.
 
Ixt said:
I meant Battleshock specifically but, yeah, they don't take Battleshock tests. By the wording, they can't.
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So if something is a monster it just keeps fighting and clawing until it drops dead? No way to make it flee?
Does that leave its bravery number with no function / if that is how it works, why not have a " - " in the bravery field?
 
pendrake said:
So if something is a monster it just keeps fighting and clawing until it drops dead? No way to make it flee?
Does that leave its bravery number with no function / if that is how it works, why not have a " - " in the bravery field?
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That seems to be the case, yeah - it keeps fighting until it opts to retreat.

As far as its Bravery score's function, that's tough to say. I've wondered the same thing. I imagine that there's some model, spell, rule, ability, etc. that's in the game now (or that will be in the game soon) which challenges Bravery scores.

GW might prefer the flavor of fearless monsters fighting to their last breaths, rather than a piece of artillery being destroyed by a failed initiative test because it had a '-' score. I always found that pretty absurd, anyway. I think that Bravery scores have a greater purpose than Battleshock, though.
 
You can make a monster flee alright, but not via Battleshock.
Battleshock only happens when a model in the unit dies.

HOWEVER
You can damage a monster so much that it gets close to dying, and the PLAYER HIMSELF opts to make "Retreat moves" with it, rather than let it die in combat.
No, you cant have it killed by fleeing via battleshock, so it IS unbreakable.
Yes, you can make it flee if the controlling player decides that is the wise thing to do.
 
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Not a battle shock test, the battle shock phase is just the time when you roll his wounds test.
Still a pretty tough SOB. That's a ridiculously strong rule, you basically have to focus all your fire power on him in a turn. Although with the number of 12 wound monsters that heal back wounds I guess it's really not that crazy.

Magic is not a hero ability or command ability but it happens in the hero phase. If it was, only your commander would be able to cast spells.
 
Hey guys! New here, so I hope I don’t mess it up to bad.

Lord Kroak’s “Dead for Innumerable ages” is not a battleshock test, is an ability rolled in each of the battleshock phases.

In order to make a battleshock roll you have to loose models (i.e. if you take three wounds in a unit of Kroxigors you would not have to take a battleshock test because you did not lose any models). Lord Kroak is a single model which would mean you have to lose him in order to make a battleshock test, and of course since you lost him it would be unnecessary to make a test.

The reason all models have a bravery value is because there are rules that target bravery. The Vampire Counts’ Terrorgheist for example rolls a number of dice (1-3 depending on wounds received) and adds them together. If the total is higher than your bravery, you suffer the difference in mortal wounds.
 
Its a separate test taken in the Battleshock phase, Kroak is a power house now, me and my mate set up a mini arena of death using skaven, khorne, lizards and stormcast. We even took Kroaks magic off him as he was the only spell caster and he made it to the final against Vandus but fell on the second battle round. He took on Khorgus Khul and Gor-Rok without much trouble. With magic he would of walked it.
 
Geko747 said:
Its a separate test taken in the Battleshock phase, Kroak is a power house now, me and my mate set up a mini arena of death using skaven, khorne, lizards and stormcast. We even took Kroaks magic off him as he was the only spell caster and he made it to the final against Vandus but fell on the second battle round. He took on Khorgus Khul and Gor-Rok without much trouble. With magic he would of walked it.
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Let all who come upon him, fear the might of Lord Kroak.
 
Avak786 said:
Would anyone reading this consider Kroak's "Dead for innumerable ages" special rule to be a battleshock test to determine whether he is slain?
Because, if so, taking him as a general means you could use the "Inspiring presence" command ability on Kroak meaning that you don't have to make battleshock tests thus making him totally invincible and a potent combat character at that.
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I would say that it is not a battleshock test. As far as I've seen with AoS, it is completely a rules as written game (unlike 40k which is mixed). Therefore, since there is no mention that the role is a battleshock test, it should not be treated as one. Furthermore, the rule is to determine 'wounds' (that's a finger quote, not an actual quotation from rules) not bravery. The way I look at it is that Kroak has 10-D6 'wounds' (bravery).
You could still give him inspiring presence, but it wouldn't affect his death roll.

If you play rules as written, then this seems the way to approach it. I've personally never seen it the way you mentioned.

Hope this helped
 
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