The Random Thread of Random Randomness

Because people aren't buying those comic books!

Bottom line, you must produce the content that your consumer base wants. Story must trump political propaganda.

 

Not enough of them. I didn't mean literally zero people.

The ultra woke Captain Marvel comic has been cancelled and relaunched somewhere in the vicinity of 7 times in the last decade.

Interesting how nobody really had an issue with it until the arrival of Captain Marvel. Don't conflate moral messages embedded within great story telling with political propaganda at the expense of story telling!




Time will prove me wise.

 

The only thing that really comes to mind was Brie Larsen's commentary leading up to Captain Marvel's release. Nearly ever other actor who portrayed a beloved Marvel character in the MCU has gone on record to say that it's an honour to bring that character to the big screen for the first time. We didn't get this from Larsen, who instead made a big statement about representing women and girls on the big screen as if she was the first actress to play a Marvel character.

As I haven't seen the movie beyond one action scene, I don't know how much this has any bearing on the actual quality of the movie.

As for the response to said commentary, one argument I remember seen bandied about was regarding how exceptional superheros are as characters by default, inferring that the claim of Captain Marvel representing women and girls on the big screen is laughable at best.

 

• the marketing
• The Captain Marvel Rotten Tomatoes controversy
• anything coming out of Brie Larson's emotionless wood-faced mouth
• gender swapping Captain Marvel (who was originally male, Ms. Marvel was female)
• the Brie Larson - Chris Hemsworth "I did my stunts" + "thank you veeery much" Tom Cruise nonsense (spoiler: she had a stunt double)
• the general overpowered nature of CM (especially evidenced in Endgame)
• the feminist avengers assemble scene in Endgame (obviously this isn't the CM movie, but it continued into this one)
• https://www.screengeek.net/2019/02/27/captain-marvel-feminist-humanist-movie/
  
• The "smile" scene in the movie, and ESPECIALLY the extended cut of that scene (see below)

 

I actually had no issue with that one. The fact that they all came to Peter Parker's aid at the same time was quite the contrivance of course, but the fridge logic there is easily overlooked if all you're hoping to get out of the movie is a throw-down spectacle with a lot of action and special effects.

On a side note, the one character in that roster that I absolutely had no problem with was Pepper Potts in her Rescue armour.

 

I thought it was extremely cringy and immersion breaking. It is there for one reason and one reason alone... political pandering; and the movie suffers for it.

 

You remember incorrectly good sir. That was the story that the leftist media was trying to spin, but like usual, they tweak the facts a bit to fit their narrative. Prior to the movie's release, fans could not actually rate the film. However, there was the option to vote on whether you were interested in seeing the film or if you were not interested in seeing the film. I think that seems like a pretty fair and reasonable thing to vote on prior to a movie's release. The results from this vote were displayed, but were not used in the calculation of the audience rating score upon the film's release. Captain Marvel wasn't fairing too well so the entire site was changed to protect it.

By all means, look it up if you don't believe me!

It's feminist SJW propaganda. That is my entire point.

Correct. Sarah Connor from T2 and Ellen Ripley from Aliens are classic examples of strong female characters that aren't feminist propaganda. If you want more recent examples, we have Alita or Wonder Woman.

I don't think I have to give everyone a lecture on how sex sells. That works in both directions by the way. That's why movie and tv show casts are made up of predominantly beautiful people.

 

An important distinction has to be made between first wave feminism (which was important and necessary) and our current day third wave iteration (which is nonsensical and damaging). They are not the same thing. What current feminists say they are fighting for and what they are actually promoting is vastly different. Polling data shows that most women do not identify as feminists, I wonder why that is?

In most (if not all) first world nations women are rightfully treated equally. There are laws put in place to ensure it. Now if we're talking about some other countries where women are treated as second class citizens then feminism certainly has a role to play. But today's feminists are not really tackling that, but rather man bashing and coming up with stupid things like this...

https://globalnews.ca/news/4202437/consent-changing-diapers/

Correct. I wonder what the primary target audience is for franchises like Star Trek, Star Wars, MCU, etc? Here's a hint: it ain't SJW feminists! Yet these studios continue to pander to these people an attack their core consumer base. We've seen what has happened in the case of Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr. Who and Ghostbusters, and if the MCU doesn't course correct they will eventually go in the same direction (though admittedly it will take a little longer since they have built up 10 years worth of good will through great story telling).

Incorrect. Previously Marvel never put political messaging above good story telling. Hopefully they don't go down that route.


I'd suggest taking a look at some of this guy's content, as he knows more about this stuff than either of us:
https://www.youtube.com/user/youngrippa59

 

*** wanders into random thread ***

*** notices raging debate about sjws and comics ***

Thanks for ^ the ^ warning, @NIGHTBRINGER



*** leaves random map of random island before ...leaving ***

 

Warning?

You mean encountering an opinion that perhaps differs from your own? Or am I missing something?




You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

 

No. Yes.
I legit appreciate the warning.
Knowing in advance that a particular video will be nothing but a self-appointed expert bloviating at length and ad nauseum on a set of topics I...

Just.Don't.Care

...about is: useful information.