Star Trek vs. Star Wars (and a collection of memes)

I am two thirds through Jedi: Fallen Order (17 hours or so, I like to take my time)
Still a solid recommendation.

 

Most of these services are not worth it in my opinion but if I made more money or had different niche tastes, I might run up a higher bill.Seriously, why does ANYONE pay $9.99 to watch CBS?

I will probably watch this myself just out of curiosity but lack of wokeness by itself does not a good show or movie make. At the same time, a show or movie can be woke and good. These two things are not mutually exclusive, it's just that lazy writers don't know how to include political messages without ruining the story.

Spoiler: Mandalorian Spoiler, Response to Nightbringer

That is my concern with the Mandalorian. That this is just too gimmicky. EveIt ryone is talking about how cool the concept of a baby Yoda is, they are ignoring the rest of the show.

-A cute adorable mascot character
-Fan service character
-Shocking twist character

It might be too special. A lot like a pegasean unicorn which you hardly ever see in fiction or art. Pegasi are cool, unicorns are cool. If you put it just feels janky.

It anything the Mandalorian has too much fan service. Some of it seemed out of context and thrown in with little forethought. Among other things, I don't like that they made carbon freezing criminals standard procedure. In Empire Strikes Back everyone acted like it was an unorthodox method of prisoner transport. The weird torture seens of whatever race Salacious Crumb is also weird.

Maybe the old trilogy fans will like this if utterly saturate this with imagery from the original trilogy!

I think The Last Jedi lowered people's expectations so much that people are praising the Mandalorian just because it's not a dumpster fire. If this show came out before the Disney Star Wars movies, I bet people would have generally disliked it.

Speaking of dumpster fires. This is an unconfirmed rumor, but OverlordDVD's rumors tend to be pretty accurate. If the working cut of Rise of Skywalker is half this bad, then Disney needs to do more reshoots and they should delay the release of the movie.

 

Wall-E was not subtle in it's messaging. I still enjoyed it.

Zootopia was not subtle in it's messaging. I still enjoyed it.

It's a short list, but I'm sure if I really put some effort I could name ten pieces of media in this boat.

 

I guess you hit the nail on the head. A film is only panned as "woke" if it annoys many people even if it has woke elements in it.

Now that I think about it. Avatar was annoyingly preachy with an unsubtle message. Are pro-environmentalist movies exempt from being considered "woke." That's probably a discussion for another thread.

To go back to Star Wars. Remember when Rose and Finn saved a bunch of animals by freeing them into the wilderness of a planet they weren't native to so they could die or imbalance the ecosystem all while leaving without rescuing the child slaves? Good times.

 

I saw the movie twice.

I enjoyed the movie the first time. The first time I just marveled at the amazing visuals.

The second time I paid attention to the plot and the acting...

I think Avatar is a Thomas Edison movie. Thomas Edison patented a technology that became a forerunner to many of our modern movies. No one remembers what the movie was. What is important is he made technology that enhanced future movies.

Same thing with Avatar, motion capture animation keeps getting better and cheaper.

 

Avatar was Pocahontas story + great visuals.
I enjoyed the movie (saw it at least twice, maybe three times) but the story is...simple.
And that's OK. It is allowed to enjoy simple things.

Star Wars isn't exactly known for complex stories (or ones that make a lot of sense) either. It never was and that is OK.