8th Ed. Exploring our core options: Saurus vs. Skrox vs. "Vanilla" Cohort

If you want to have some powerful, multihit attacks on the flank, I'd much rather have Rippers. They are significantly faster, and can dish out a ton of attacks, especially if you toaded said unit. S7 is rarely worth it against most things you want to flank, and let's face it, a main combat block wont get in a flank charge unless the enemy messed up somehow.

That said, I have had some good results using Skroxigor units. The dwarf player I tried them against for the first time was rather surprised to get 6 S7 attacks thrown on his dwarf lord from those kroxigors. But I guess Dwarfs, Chaos, and similarly armoured armies (Lizardmen using saurus too, ironically) is their favoured matchups. Against elves, and undeads+skaven especially, they are just too inefficient. They want good AS targets, as well as T4/T5 targets, not T3 elves or humans with a 5+ AS. Might as well stick to Saurus for that.

 

Out of the above choices? Definitely Saurus.

But I definitely use Skink Skirmishers heavily in my army lists, to pay off the core tax and in my tactics. I think they're an auto-include in pretty much any list.

 

I haven't actually tried this as an option, but it's a pretty good idea. For some reason I hadn't thought of putting them near the Slann, which is me missing the obvious.

For me Skirmishers are an auto-include on any army list. I really like them.

 

Saurus Warriors all the way, they can take down most enemy Core Choices and some Special and Rare choices with ease. Plus they’re what Lizardmen are all about - hulking reptilian warriors who wreck face are the reason why I started the army. I never leave home without at least one unit (and now I’ve got two decent-sized units I like to take both to fill out my core )

 

+1

I love their lore. Born fully grown and ready for battle. Entire regiments striding from the spawning pools to answer the calls of the Old Ones. Fantastic.

But the Carnosaur was the major deciding factor for me. Being able to have a T-Rex on your army!?!? THAT'S INCREDIBLE!!! Until I started using them... ... then was a lot less impressed.

 

Yeah, I do get some success out of my Carnosaur but when you consider there are monsters like the Arachnarok, K’daai Destroyer, Necrosphinx and Stonehorn out there, GW could have done a lot better when writing the most recent rules for them.

 

The Necorsphinx is typically considered to be an overcosted and underpowered monster.

 

But wouldn’t you still say it’s better than the Carnosaur? Given the Necrosphinx is T8, can fly and is unbreakable while the Carnosaur is a glass cannon with poor Leadership (and relies on its Oldblood master to keep up the momentum) I’d say the Necrosphinx is superior.

 

Yes, the Necrosphinx can fly, but remember that since it can't march, that fly movement is capped at 10". The Carnosaur can march 14". So the Necrosphinx has a greater charge range but the Carnosaur has greater regular movement.

True, the Necroxsphinx is more defensive than the Carnosaur, but the Carnosaur is significantly more offensive. The Necrosphinx only has a single dangerous attack (Decapitating Strike), while its remaining attacks are only S5.

While the Necrosphinx is unbreakable, it is also unstable. So that is a bit of a wash. If it was unbreakable without the unstable special rule (like a Hellcannon), I'd look at it differently.

As for which is better, I don't really know. I don't typically field either, but in my experience I've seen more people create lists with the Carnosaur included than the Necrosphinx. That said, I haven't spent a great deal of time analyzing either of them; they are both underpowered in my opinion and each of their respective armies have far better choices available to them.

 

This is very true and unfortunately it is true of two fantastic models.

(Sigh)

GW has a lot to answer for.

 

Yeah.. the wrong answer!

 

Loving this thread... Saurus dude here. They are almost the best core unit in the game.

However they do suffer a low I so they will almost certainly result in striking last. This I is so crucial in 8th edition. Because it doesn't really matter who charged (only a small bonus in CR). this rule was so strange for us coming from 6th edition and starting to play again.

But then again, in previous editions and 8th, they only had M4. So they would get charged alot in 8th however you get +2d6, so now you get a charge of more often with saurus, but now you got that rule, strike in I order so meh .

One thing that bugs me alot is that we only have 3 core choices... Yawn, that has to be the least of every army out there. Heck aren't jungle swarms special now? Doesn't really matter though even if they were core, we still only would have 2 good core choices. Skirmishers and saurus. I'm not even gonnatalk about skink cohords. The skrox unit doesn't really feel good to me. However when i do field them, my opponents tend to fight against the skinks, to get more wounds off i reckon. But i hardly field them,since i would just like more saurus.

 

It was fun watching them mulch through the Witch Elves here . Especially as the Witch Elves are one of the best combat units out there.

I find the biggest advantage of charging is that you get to fight the crucial first round of combat coming directly off your magic phase. A key hex or a buff can radically swing the outcome of the fight.

Chaos Dwarfs only have two, Infernal Guard and Hobgoblin Cutthroats. Although admittedly there is a fair bit of variation available within each of those choices.

It feels like the Orcs & Goblins have like a thousand core choices.

 

Yes, I was very glad I requested that fight! We forget that Saurus aren't the BEST but they're still solid infantry.

 

That's true. They are very often overlooked in favour of some of the seemingly more flashy options out there. They are pretty solid though.

 

Was it in sixth edition we could give our saurus boys, certain blessed spawnings? Improving some stats. They did became special or rare though depending on how many spawnings you gave them. Loved that tbh.

For O&G i find it normal, they are a horde army, just wished we would have one or two more choices.

 

That is correct. Even characters (except Slann) had access to them!


And Slann had access to the "Slann Generations" upgrades!