GW News: SKAVEN VICTORY! #NewAoS

More or less my thoughts about them as a whole. Even with the gradual shift away from the bulky armour they started with, I still call them Sigmarines, because let's face it, at this point, unless they have a far bigger redesign than just slimming their armour, they're still fantasy space marines. And we used to have those in concept already, they were called Lady Botherers... sorry, Bretonnians .

 

I think they would have been much better received if the 40k Space Marines had never existed.

 

Sure, but why port them over as gods?
Durthu got demoted to being sort of an avatar thing. So why did the Nagash model continue to represent a literal god on the battlefield? Why not just say it's an avatar instead so you can keep it on a vaguely sensible level of power?

Similarly, characters like Mannfred managed to carry over as lesser luitenants, still a bit on the powerfull side, but at least a couple steps lower than a god. So why not just focus on those?

Honestly, the only real issue is just how many releases they get. They look fine, especially once they became a bit more distinct from the marines with the introduction of a new chamber (and now multiple new chambers...).

But the sheer rate at which they get new releases is exhausting.

 

It's an issue of optics more than anything. For all that GW dotes on Space Marines as their posterboy mascots and (relatively) beginner-friendly model range, their ultimate sin is being boring on the tabletop in vanilla 40k, especially when stacked against other factions that look and play differently.*

*In theory, anyway, given how a lot of current edition 40k feels generic and samey as fuck.

If anything, it's rather ironic that Horus Heresy, as a de facto marine-centric game where 20 factions (the 18 Legions, Blackshields, and Shattered Legions) pull models from the exact same model range, does a far better job of differentiating between said factions on the tabletop by comparison, despite the models "looking the same". (Incidentally, this also applies to Adeptus Titanicus)

 

That's a fair enough approach, GW easily could have followed the route that you suggest. I could see an avatar of Nagash working, though maybe not for Archaon.

It might be as result of AoS being "high" fantasy as compared to the relatively more grounded setting of Warhammer Fantasy. Things in AoS seemingly need to be larger, grander and more fantastical. Look how long it took GW to release a "normal" horse as a miniature mount; instead all the mounts were mystical creatures. WHFB was a classical medieval setting with healthy twist of fantasy elements. AoS does not have that same grounding. Anything goes, from flying Dwarfs with lighter-than-air metals to sea Elves and their sea creatures fighting in a setting that takes place on land. In such a setting, a god is much less out of place.

That's part of it... coupled with the fact that such a large percentage of 40k armies are space marine armies. With those two factors combined, it's simply too much for my liking. I had enough of it in 40k, I didn't want to see more of the same in fantasy.

I think 40k would benefit from a greater Xenos focus and less Space Marine stuff. How many armies do the Space Marines really need?

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com...-bowl-miniatures-designers-talk-chaos-dwarfs/

 

Considerably less than there currently are. Though I get it, gotta let the players create their own armies and all... and gotta let the authors have the power to create their own chapters so that when they get merc'ed, nobody can cry foul that their favourite chapter got done dirty.

Though if we're talking the unit choices: at least before the Primaris marines the choices were basically Tactical, Assault or Devestator, with scouts as the "in-training" option (chapter depending) and then Sternguard, Vanguard and Terminators to represent the elite marines. Anything else was just cosmetics...

Shut up, I'm not forgetting chapter specific nonsense... they're just fancy variations for those specific chapters. Bite me.

Now we have... far... FAR more than just Primarus rebranding of those seven choices. *sigh* And to my knowledge, the classic marines are still rules'd-up and tourny-legal, so that's yet more choices for the marine players.

 

All this means that the more interesting factions like the Necrons, Tyranids, Orks, etc. get that much less attention. They have to wade through an ocean of various Space Marine releases before they ever get anything new themselves.

 

You're looking at it the wrong way... More space marines = more targets for the Tau to shoot in the face with their railguns.

Yeah, would definitely like more focus on the xenos. Particularly the Tau (you'll never be able to tell what faction I played in 40k, I'm so subtle )

 

Ultimately it doesn't really matter for me as I no longer play (or collect 40k) and I never got into AoS. I only play WHFB, which is (and will always be) proudly Space/Sig Marine free!