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AoS 2k FoS Competitive?

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Allegiance: Seraphon
- Constellation: Fangs of Sotek

Leaders
Lord Kroak (320)
- Spell: Celestial Apotheosis
Skink Starseer (140)
- General
- Command Trait: Master of Star Rituals
- Spell: Hand of Glory
Skink Starpriest (120)
- Spell: Celestial Harmony
Skink Priest (70)
Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
- Artefact: Serpent God Dagger

Battleline
40 x Skinks (240)
- Boltspitters Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers
10 x Skinks (60)
- Meteoric Javelins Celestite Daggers & Star Bucklers

Units
12 x Salamander Hunting Pack (240)
12 x Salamander Hunting Pack (240)
12 x Razordon Hunting Pack (240)

Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Bound Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (70)
Balewind Vortex (40)

Total: 1980 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 140


Not much to say, I think. Large skink blob with poison shots, which can reatreat from combat and gain 3+/2+ against melee/shooting; 3 hunting packs is the fist. Razordons may be handy too, because they are nice target for poison, if skink blob dies and can shoot up to 3d6 per model per turn and can overwatch (and because I have only 6 sallies). Support heroes, well, everyone already know, what they do.

What I think about is whether FoS or DT for this build. Dropping 3 hunting packs from heavens is great, but overwatch+retreat is also very good. I also think about sacrificing Geminds and Razordons in favour of 6 kroxigor.
 
Yes, I mean, it is save rolls.

Played a test game against Ossiarch in TTS. He concided turn 2 after my double turn, because we played places of arcane power and I killed his heroes.

Tried realmshaper engine. I thought, for some reason, that it affects all terrain on the board, but it still was very nice. I've got lucky and placed Kroak in it on deployment. The RSE was in the centre of my territory and covered a bunch of pieces. The only one that wasn't within 36" is a lone barricade on the other side of the board. It dealt a bunch of mortal wounds to his heroes because of the double turn. I've just managed to kill his heroes with salamanders and mortal wounds. Basically, he only managed to kill 5 handlers, while I took out 20 mortek unit, Arkan, Soulmasson, Kavalos and 10 deathriders. Our damage is insane.

Skinks are still good speedbumps, especially in Starborne, where you can summon 10 more. FoS mobility is ridiculous. And skinks are amazing. Dealt 8 MW to 20x mortek unit and 17 saves total. If only there wasn't 3+ rerolling 1's save. Razordons are still feel worse, but their range helped a bit, since it was hard to place all the salamanders so they can reach enemy turn 1.

And geminids are great. They are pretty easy to pilot and that's a lot of mortal wounds.

I need more tests, but list seems doing very good so far.
 
Two things to consider, bound flaming skull gives all models in 9” reroll 1’s. Skink priests can make a Salamander unit run/shoot/charge and +1 to armor on a 3+ and for a command point give +1 to hit and when combined those two models can make a sally unit hit on 2’s rerolling 1’s with 3+ armor (Kroak can make 2+) and run/charge/Shoot.
 
I tried Burning Head once - I don't think that Starborne will benifit from it much, because of teleports and such. Coalesced will benifit from it way more.

All bonuses from priest are better be stacked on skink blob. Sallies already have 4+ save and can be taken in cover. And they are easier to LoSaT. But yes, when you definitely want something dead, it can be stacked to sallies. But I will prefere Hand of Glory or Volley Fire in this case.
 
Nart said:
I tried Burning Head once - I don't think that Starborne will benifit from it much, because of teleports and such. Coalesced will benifit from it way more.

All bonuses from priest are better be stacked on skink blob. Sallies already have 4+ save and can be taken in cover. And they are easier to LoSaT. But yes, when you definitely want something dead, it can be stacked to sallies. But I will prefere Hand of Glory or Volley Fire in this case.
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Ideally I would use it in Dracothian Tail, putting all your sallies and one skink screen in reserves and teleporting your Kroak within 10" to use his 3 cast version of comets call, then popping out the flaming head and bringing in all of your Sallies in one spot to all benefit from rerolling 1's. Have a skink screen to place in front of Kroak. Any rerolling 1's is a chance for another 6 causing mortals on the hit. Turn 2 teleport Kroak somewhere else.

I have a list I am working on that has 4 units of max Sallies, a skink priest and skink screen coming in from reserves and the rest is all min sized skinks to be on the table in turn 1. The alphastrike potential is very good. Unfortunately my gaming group's store is shut down at the moment so I can't test the theory live yet.
 
Shadowkaos said:
Ideally I would use it in Dracothian Tail, putting all your sallies and one skink screen in reserves and teleporting your Kroak within 10" to use his 3 cast version of comets call, then popping out the flaming head and bringing in all of your Sallies in one spot to all benefit from rerolling 1's. Have a skink screen to place in front of Kroak. Any rerolling 1's is a chance for another 6 causing mortals on the hit. Turn 2 teleport Kroak somewhere else.

I have a list I am working on that has 4 units of max Sallies, a skink priest and skink screen coming in from reserves and the rest is all min sized skinks to be on the table in turn 1. The alphastrike potential is very good. Unfortunately my gaming group's store is shut down at the moment so I can't test the theory live yet.
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Only downside is that you will need double turn to pull it off as alpha strike. DT now drops at the End of the Movement Phase instead of in the Hero Phase.
 
LizardWizard said:
Only downside is that you will need double turn to pull it off as alpha strike. DT now drops at the End of the Movement Phase instead of in the Hero Phase.
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Certainly the order of hero phase management will affect where spells/buffs can go but you have a lot of options, like using the alphastrike to wipe out a wing of the enemy or a specific unit that is a key part of your enemies army or not using all of the army at once in the teleport.
 
Shadowkaos said:
Certainly the order of hero phase management will affect where spells/buffs can go but you have a lot of options, like using the alphastrike to wipe out a wing of the enemy or a specific unit that is a key part of your enemies army or not using all of the army at once in the teleport.
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What I meant to say is that Kroak can't LoSaT to use his spells. LoSaT and DT deployment happen at the End of the Movement Phase. So, you would need a double turn. The Sallies can still shoot though.
 
Yes, the only thing, that Kroak would be able to provide is Volley fire. Which is still pretty good.
 
Also rerolling 1s to hit wont effect skinks causing mws on 6s, as its wound rolls of 6 sorry to be that guy. But i see it will help with sallys ;)
 
Komodo said:
Also rerolling 1s to hit wont effect skinks causing mws on 6s, as its wound rolls of 6 sorry to be that guy. But i see it will help with sallys ;)
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80 shots will give you approx twelve 1’s to hit, assuming you have them buffed to hit on 4+, that’s another 6 successes after rerolls, and then 1 MW on the wound roll.

Every bit counts! :D
 
Exactly. Rerolling 1's = more hits = more wound rolls. Also, don't underastimate skinks standard damage. I think, I'm forcing about 15-17 saves per volley, which is pretty good against low save.
 
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