Tutorial A Guide to Seraphon Battalions - GHB2017

The main issue here is not so much that save though. It's the combination of that save with excessive firepower. Against those kind of threats it doesn't matter much what you field, it's going to be costly. The Obvious solution being to get rid of whatever is buffing them before even attempting to deal with the big scary thing.

Anyways, my point was mostly that they should be able to deal with extreme saves, as you can see by that treelord losing up to about half his health. However, the combination of extreme saves and high firepower tends to be something we're terrible at dealing with as we have very few things capable of doing the same and thus have very little that can actually go toe to toe with something like that, as made evident by that blob of 40 probably being annihilated in a turn or two. Frankly our big dinosaurs could use a buff in that aspect, or they should just be more common (that behemoth limit is rather lame for our army).

 

I dont understand how you can fit so much in 2k points.

Allegiance: Seraphon
Saurus Oldblood on Carnosaur (280)
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Cold One(100)
Saurus Scar-Veteran on Carnosaur(240)
- Warblade
Saurus Sunblood (120)
Slann Starmaster (260)
Skink Starpriest (80)
20 x Saurus Warriors (200)
- Clubs
5 x Saurus Knights (100)
- Blades
5 x Saurus Knights (100)
- Blades
1 x Razordons (40)
Bastiladon (280)
Bloodclaw Starhost (200)

Reinforcement Points (0)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Allies: 0 / 400

So the above list has 2 start collecting as base, but covers the min support requirement with startpriest and slann, and a bastilodon for shooting.

I feel its incredibly light. Granted you can ditch the basti, take more razordons and handlers, but im not sure how much ypu actually gain??

I have no experience, so please fo improve my list, as i love the concept pf the bloodclaw.

 

Warriors : You either go for 40 or ditch them. They are really expensive in less for what they do. Knights : 1 10 man group does make sense as it can be an ok threat and takes lots of space / looks impressive.

While I do always love Bastis, take him out, make 40 warriors and 4 razordon

 

As @Seraphage says, warriors you either go all out or you don't take them. A unit of warriors without its horde bonusses is essentially just expensive fodder (this even goes for wounded units, which is why warriors in general tend to be a bit lackluster, they lose too muh firepower too quickly)

Other than that, you're spending over half your points on heroes, which might be a bit steep. The slann and starpriest are excellent supporting units, but they're not flat out necesary and you could be better of with something else depending on the game and your playstyle. For example the starpriest is literally just there for the buff to bites given that the slann will probably already cover every single other thing the starpriest can do, making it a fairly expensive buff (even if it can be powerfull). Similarly, 2 carnosaurs is great, but expensive. With so much put into your heroes your "core" is fairly lackluster.

1 razordon is fairly pointless, the lack of numbers means your attacks don't average out so either it'l be amazing or basicly not do anything, I'd assume that was just leftover points.

Your bastillidon doesn't really fit in that well with the rest of the list. It's just a random behemoth with no significant synergy even if it's an excellent model on its own.

Also, with your supportin troops being a starpriest, a razordon, a slann and a bastillidon they lack focus. You essentially just have a bunch of mostly random units that are fairly powerfull on their own, but they don't have much synergy with your core apart from just doing something your core doesn't.

I'd say change any of those. In short; your warriors are fairly sub-par when not at max size, your supporting troops lack focus & you are very heavy on heroes.

 

One Questioin: You say for the Thunderquake Starhost "...and the effect lasts 'til the next combat phase...". Sure? I think the effekt starts an did not end, even if the Troglodon or EotG dies. You can change the effekt, thats true, but its stay forever.
I can even teleport my buffed Bastiladon to the other side of the battlefield and it have the buffs.
(Sorry for my english^^)

 

Yes and no, you buff everything within 8" of the EoTG at the start of a combat phase, and that buff remains on whoever were there at the start until the next combat phase. But, unless you have some magic rule I don't think you could teleport your bastiladon to the other side of the battlefield and have him fight before the buff resets as it dissapears in the next combat phase.

 

"until the next combat phase" No, thats not right! You declare in the combat phase which buff you want, and then you have the buff forever. You CAN declare every combat phase a new buff, but you can still have the old buff forever! The battalion is tronger then we think!

 

Mm right, it says you "can" declare it, not you must... though I'm not sure if that means the buff stays forever. Is there a F.A.Q. cuz the way its phrased it could either mean "when you don't you have the previous buff" or "when you don't you have nothing"

 

Would be interesting! I looked at the FAQ´s, but did not found anything. In some Warscrolls there is "until the next combat phase" or "until next hero phase", so thats missing here... I think we have the buff forever until somebody shows us the opposite.

 

Wow we need to ask a FAQ for this. It's HUGE. It scales up Thunderquake A LOT to my lists !

 

The way it's phrased that's only needed during the declaring though. Not at any point after it. The question just is if the buff remains indefinitly or if you need to keep on declaring it over and over (and thus lose it when the troglodon/EotG dies).

 

I would assume so too, but it is phrased rather amiguously as pointed out a bit earlier. Hence we want a F.A.Q. It only states you can declare it at a certain moment, it never states any ending time, which usually it does when it only lasts 1 turn. (usually it just says "till the/your next x phase)

 

Yeah I did laugh with the idea but let us be honest : It is obvious from the wording that it should be declared each turn.
Let's not forget the most important rule of all : Read the rules using our logic

 

Both "declare it every turn" and "declare it once, benefit until you declare a different one" have their own logic to it though

plus, the ranged requirement is a tad awkward for the repeated decleration. The starhost consists of several independent units, the skinks handlers being the only ones that can't go off on their own. It doesn't really fit that they have to stick together. The requirement that the troglodon/EoTG needs to be alive for the bonus to be there is probably one that's easier to agree on without a F.A.Q.