Right... Do you both still use them? I guess in games where you'll be facing larger units (Skaven, O&Gs) so you have more of a chance of hitting? I think I need to remove them from my Chaos list Ah well, back to the drawing board. I'm also watching some tactica videos from OnceBitten on YouTube from EEFL. A lot of which I'd already figured out myself, but some of the things are making me think twice about my list. So far, this is particularly the "One Spell" concept for the magic phase although with a CoS and Hierotitan I think I could expand that to "Two Spells".