AoS Age Of Sigmar - Lizards namedropped

Well on the plus side, at least they got all that End Times material out of the stores!

 

Possibly a pyrrhic victory there (depending on what comes next!)

 

That is true. But when you've hit rock bottom, there is nowhere to go but up (or to a different game system... or stick with 8th!)

 

Now that's a positive attitude...

 

Still trying to piece the info I got out of the manager so far together, the way he just said the words make it feels like Lizardmen are going to get some love or was he just trying to keep me in check to see me not rage.

When I go back on Monday I will casually do hopes and stuff to see if he chimes in. I bet he will say that famous line "It is going to be awesome"
But it makes me twitch a bit knowing I know he knows something, I can tell XD
I just want to know about Lizardmen, nothing else, just the Lizards but he tells me to wait and see.

 

We still do not know wether GW has decided to never ever to update our lizards again, even if that is their plan, that plan may change. The whole reason everybody was worried and riled up was that the LM army would no longer be supported, it now seems that it will be a namechange, we go back to the old name. This even makes an update likely, this boek will always be LM, but a new book could be Old Ones. It is all a big shot ijn the dark, but this could be an explanation why LM would go.

 

One book with rules for all, in One book to find them.
One book, dont bring them all, its the largest kind..................ehm....

 

Actually, the potential obsolescence of End Times materials is probably the thing that would get me go quit this hobby after 30 years. Not only did End Times make huge improvements to the game, it sold me about $900 worth of product. If that product, and the time I spent incorporating it into my hobby, is killed off after roughly 1 year of usefulness, it would be a huge slam to consumer confidence. I can't see myself giving more money to them going forward after that.

 

I agree completely.
It would simply not be acceptable behavior to me.

However

To my knowledge the End Times are still very valid, they are just taken out of the store (Army books not included)
You should still be able to order them online, and as "End times" is rumored to be 1 of the 3 play modes of warhammer
I think your investment is still very safe.

 

So there's going to be a Q&A at my GW on the 5th, presumably the other stores may follow suit. If not, feel free to give me any questions that remain unanswered for you and I can ask them on your behalf then bring the information back.

 

You are of course entitled to that opinion, but I highly disagree:

• The creation of super powered factions (combined Elven and Chaos armies)............. horrible
• The creation of uber characters (Nagash, KFA, etc.).................................................... horrible
• The creation of a more time consuming magic phase.................................................... horrible
• The destruction of 30 years of fluff.................................................................................. horrible
• The release of a bunch of terrible models (with the exception of Nagash)..................... horrible

The only positive thing (IMHO) about the End Times was that it never really fully caught on. Some areas or gaming groups may have been fully on board, but it was regarded as only a supplement or even completely rejected amongst many groups of players community-wide.

I can't blame you there, if I had invested that much money and time, I'd be pissed off if it was scrapped.

 

-Yeah the combined factions were a poor choice.
-Nagash, Malekith the Eternity King, Super-Franz etc are all fine for me, powerful as they are they are more than killable and most armies have counters.
-The new magic phase is a godsend in my opinion, it gives magic a much greater impact and I like that. The only negative there is the poor dwarfs who really deserved a buff to their anti-magic.
-Not destruction, continuation. Fluff is meaningless if it remains stagnant, the continuation of the story was both exciting to read and stood as fantastic plot even without the game.
-All the new models were fantastic I found, especially the new Verminlords which are leagues above the older fairly derpy model. Good God those things almost made me defect from Lustria to join the Skaven.

Overall, I adored the End Times.

 

Personally the individual nuances of each unique army is one of the things I like the most about warhammer. Combining the factions diminishes this for me. Rules-wise, the armies that got combined received a huge boost while others stagnated (Dwarfs, Ogres, Bretonnia, etc). The undead weren't that bad, but combined chaos and elves are made up of some of the strongest individual armies. I don't like purposefully unbalancing the game further.

Agreed. It's not a problem for me because I don't ever play games with End Times stuff/rules in play.

I think many groups steered clear of the Khaine magic rules.

I forgot about the spirit hosts, they are very nice models. I agree that the khorne guys were the absolute worst of the bunch (followed by the Skaven Ogre-marines). There is no way I would ever include those khorne guys in my WoC armies. Model-wise they made very little sense.
I think you're correct about the future direction that GW may take. If so, then I call it quits and stick with 8th as is. I'm not interested in this 40k-like fantasy style they've adopted (same reason why I hate the Skullcannon and Soulgrinder).

 

And i always thought the biggest critique on 8th was the overpowered magic. Things like lvl 4 in warlocks moving up the board in turn 1 and 6 dicing purple sunning my General, BSB, and half my army of the table.

Ok this doesn't happen every game! And sometimes magic is a total dud all game, but one lucky roll and it can be game over.


And about the combining factions.....aren't we just going to see the best possible combinations and not much else? I havent bothered with end times, but if you can cherry pick all the good stuff(read: overpowered stuff) will that not result in a very boring game

And about the Uber characters? Ok, perhaps most armies have some counters, however, for example, the Nagash player will know what they are and have counters to the counters. With both my orcs and lizardmen I really need to prepare for such a monster character, and that will mean 90% of the list builts are useless. And even if i would bring my own super character, then two 1000 point characters slugging it out against each other is just boring as hell, just leave your other stuff at home.

 

@Pinktaco , yeah i largely agree with you about the magic, I do like the buff and hexes system, cause they need planning and thinking to get the most out of it (eventhough orcs & goblins are quite shafted when it comes to buffs and hexes).