AoS Anti-Wishlist - What is your worst nightmare about Seraphon update?

what do you mean "turned into" we are basically there now for 2k competitive events

 

yeah, but HoS Summons nearly everything in its army regularly, we mostly just spam the same 2-3 units.

On top of that, HoS Summoning isn't dependent on 1 list. Every HoS list will have it to a greater or lesser extent as it's an allegiance ability and not the ability of 1 specifc model used as the general.

In short; HoS is an example of summoning done (more or less) right, we are not.

 

maybe but if any one needs bataline monsters it's us every one else is getting it and our faction has the most lore to justify it

 

but it's doable im not talking about what we are now no one is. if they can do it in other books they can do it here the problem is will they

 

well yeah, but this thread was about our worst fears, not about what's possible

 

My worst fear is that they change our aesthetic. No longer are we aztecamayan, but instead stone sci-fi. Rifles, pistols, energy shields.
I'm sure it could be done well, but I want us to stay grounded in the tribalistic and low tech design, even if we have those things in essence. (Oldblood Hand is basically a Lazer rifle built into a fuckin cool claw gauntlet)

That and a purge of our line, but with very few or no releases. Kroxigors, Sallies, Razordons, old blood on foot, Scar vet on Barney, chameleons, Eternity Warden, Astrolith, skink seer, Sunblood, and the Slann.... That's a huge chunk that could just go poof if they're feeling destructive.

 

If they nerf our dinosaurs, nerf LoSaT or our summoning I would lose it. Hopefully none of this will happen as those things are what define seraphon and make us an interesting faction on the table top.

 

But how skinks can be nerfed further? They have already one of the worst warscroll in the game statwise. I expect wary fighters to become a retreat move, however, which will be a nerf in some way, but other than that... Game changed a lot since our battletome came out. A lot of stuff got 3+ to-hit, 4+ save, two wounds, etc. I can't imagine if Warriors are going to be without buff, if GW cares about them at all.

 

Another fear, that is sort of a plus.

We get a new SC box, with new sculpted Sauras, Knights, and Sauras Scar Vet on BAarny. All new, monopose like the S2D one.

But then that means Carnosaurs and Trogs are still $85 USD, and that's their only price now.

 

Or even worse, they somehow nerf skinks and Rippers, and make a new start collecting box that just features them and a star priest.

Like tada! Skink based SC, but everything in it isnt usable.

 

ugh that's what they did to my nids.. .old SC was tyrant, 3 warriors and 10 gargoyles. new one was trygon, broodlord and genestealers. no one uses trygon…..

 

Meh, I like the EoTG even less. It's a mess of a unit with no clear role or purpose. That unit needs an overhaul and be properly focussed into something instead of this mess of effects on a unit that wants to go into melee, but is too squishy and it's support too valuable to risk it. It's such a weird thing...
Also, even here the slann is inexplicably crucial to actually do the summoning reliably. Fielding an EoTG without slann for "summoning" is kinda pointless.

Also, with the EoTG being limited in what it can summon, and the summons themselves not necesarly making a whole lot of sense on top of needing the slann to even reliably trigger it taking an eotg as "light" summoning is lackluster at best.

As Slann + cogs + BwV + Astrolith being going for "more" summoning. Summoning still completly depends on the slann. An astrolith on its own achieves nothing. And the endless spells are merely sacrificial fodder to further empower your slann. It's an improvement, but not a particularly interesting one & a waste of the spells (as a concept..) as they're purely sacrificial...

As for 4xEoTGS + slann + spells being "full" summoning. I guess. It's still completly dependent on the slann though at least now there's enough EoTG's that occasionally one of them will succeed without the slann's help. And not necesarly very interesting.

Though I guess if they improve the EoTG to be more sensible, doubling down on various summoning mechanics (instead of this weird combination of freaking everything with damage, healing, buffs & summoning...) remove it's reliance on the slann, and allow the other skink heroes to help as well (e.g. prayers for more ccp). It could be salvaged while allowing the slann to remain the star of the show without him being the entire show himself.

 

why do you play seraphon? you seem to dislike every unit and ability we have.

 

Just like my Grey Knights. Still love them, though.

 

It's a support behemoth, but how it supports is rather badly defined. It's supportive effects are all over the place and (especially without slann) rather unreliable. It's powers need to be more focused. And preferably it should get something that isn't random in there.

Also, it suffers a fair amount from powercreep statwise. But that's a seperate issue

With respect to the cogs & BwV my gripe is mostly that they're always going to be sacrificed to the slann. Though the point-cost of endless spells & rule of one are mostly what ruins it here for me. The slann makes the best use of the BwV so your skinks (or the occasionally allied wizard )will never get to use it. Which I find dissapointing, especially as it gets sacrificed for a mechanic I already don't find super interesting to begin with.

Ignoring for the moment that I don't like the CCP-generating mechanic the use of Cogs & BwV itself would be fine-ish.

There's rewarding decisions, but none of them are related to the summoning mechanic itself. The question "should I burn this spell for CCP or hit that target with some mortal wounds" is nearly always rather obvious, and depressingly often is "go for the CCP". Decisions like "should I summon A to kill X, or summon B to grab an objective, or C to stall Y" are all interesting enough.

Let me put it this way, the playstyle as a whole, of a master summoner who adjust his army on the spot and calls down whatever reinforcements he needs, where he needs them. Is interesting. The mechanic of actually generating the CCP, the fact that it completly hinges on the slann & that the only real reason the slann even needs to be on the board is as a range indicator for summoning (the handfull of spells it actually does cast could just as well be done by a skink replacement, especially seeing as all the good spells the skinks knows anyway...) is what I find boring/bad.

I like the fluff. I like dinosaurs riding dinosaurs.

As for actual units, I like most of em, though a lot are massivly undertuned by now.

As for units/mechanics that I actually dislike (and aren't just undertuned):
- CCP generation
- Slann not doing much besides looking pretty and generating CCP
- Skink heroes not doing much besides looking pretty and doing the 1 spell/ritual per turn
- Skinks cohorts being utterly useless besides being cannonfodder. Admittadly they're great cannonfodder, but it'd be nice if they'd be more than bodies to be chopped up.
- EoTG effects being a mess without clear focus

And that's all really. The rest is mostly a matter of things being undertuned, but the basic concepts behind them are fine.

 

I think we need a new rule. any complaint that is basically just outdated statline or power creep should be refrained from. the book is 5 years old. we all know this lol

 

that would account for prity much everything all our problems are down to power creep and not having things others have. nothing we have is useless just very old