Just got back from an 8th event where I heard a lot of good talk about 9th, so spent a couple hours today looking into it. I saw a comment somewhere that the RT don't see Lizardmen as a "combat" army*, hence why th Krox hero isn't very good. Is there a vision statement anywhere which details this, so we know what restrictions there are to work with? *To be honest, I'd disrupted that sentiment entity. Lizardmen aren't a combat army because GW shafted them with poor combat units, so they rely on shooting/magic/mobility instead.
Great to know that it's in general is being received so well The RT obviously doesn't want every army to be exactly alike. That means some weird restrictions, but it's most of the time to ensure one army excels in its attributes, more than others. I reckon the RT have had lots of ideas for the lizards, finally coming to the conclusion that we are a magic based army. This means that we get an amazing spell caster, but some of our very varied selections are over costed, mainly due to this. That's atleast how I hear it.
It's true the RT doesn't see the LM army as a pure combat army like for instance WoC. IMO that's "okay" as long as we don't see unnecessary nerfs to our combat units - which we still haven't. Saurus Warriors are better than before, Templeguards saw a small, but important change and Kroxigors are now much much more capable. Oh.. Rippers saw some good changes as well. The Kroxigor Hero isn't "good" because the RT didn't want another good fighter character for our army since we already have Saurus Characters. It wasn't because our army shouldn't receive a good infantry character because in their opinion we already have that (saurus characters). IMO the RT are blind to what the Kroxigor hero could do or they simply will just not have it. I would've loved a fighty character to go along skink cohorts, skrox and kroxigor unit because we have zero characters capable of boosting those in close combat. It would've enabled us to not auto-including saurus characters which IMO is a good point. Anyway that's a minor issue really. The Croxisaurus Ancient is being looked into so hopefully he'll be better soon.. ALso it's good to see you again. I haven't seen you in quite some time!
I agree. We should be a good combat army (which I think we are) but not as strong as combat specialist armies. I've always seen Lizardmen as a magic dominant army that is a jack of all trades in other regards. We can dominate magic and compete in the other phases of the game. Exactly. I just want a good character that I can stick in the middle of a unit of kroxigors!
Aah.. Well... I had 30Shrine Guard, weapon master 1 Slann , path of Nature VS 30+ witch elves Hag on cauldron Pegasus lord Synergy vs synergy. It was ridicoulously even. I outgrinded his elves over 3 turns, with 3 Guards left. (Would have lost after that, as his characters was still there. unless my scarnosaur would reach the fight). I would In no way not call us a combat army.
AoS fatigue induced a 6 month break :/ In the UK the tournament scene is currently split four ways (8th events are still being requested and still selling, 9th events have started, there's some Kings of War happening but not as much in the US, and a few are still bravely forging on with AoS even though it looks like they're getting 25-33% of the players they had with 8th), so it's not clear where things are going to fall. I see that the ABs and RB, although released, are still in beta (albeit late beta). Have they been put out to be playable, or for review?
Well I have a idéa for the croxisaur hero. First I want to say that we already have a good mage hero and a good combat hero, so rely we wold not need another combat hero. But there is multipel combat rolls a hero cold fill. Dwarf players talks about tanks and killers. And I have thougth of that we migth have a caracter killer and a monster killer or a caracter killer and a unit killer. So as a conclution I suggest we use one of the folowing variants. Priest.--------------- Sauruss.----------- Croxisaur. Magic________Caracter killer____monster killer Magic___________Killer ___________ Tank Magic _______ Caracter killer ____Unit killer //Essmir
Well, the "tank" role is no longer as viable, as character walls are a thing of the past. He MIGHT have a use, if you could make him so tough as nails that he could fight a monster alone (he is immune to stomps). But dont we have enough Monster solutions as it is?
Has anyone put together a Quatermaster file yet? On the Krox hero, if the RT want a support character then why not drop him and chuck a Skink support hero in instead? That would seem to be a better platform to build support rules on.
Battlescribe is being updated, but with the frequency of updates it takes time. They also have their own system getting worked at. The issue with the CA is that they allowed it at first and we also got approval on the fighty version and then suddenly the RT changed and forced the support role on us. At that point it was kinda late. Personally I'd just drop it and add skink cavalry in core and at least make some people happy
the soulution for scrox hero perhaps is give him multiple wounds 2 (or something like that), he wields a big f**ing club so it has fewer attacks but when it hits it hits hard... and ergo it would make him a monster killer...
The committee tried to give him crush and it was rejected. I'm not a fan of crush anyway so for me that was okay.
if RT doesn't want more cavalry (deathstar risk, you-have-enough-redirectors) couldn't we drop the Crox for relic priests? Maybe they should be lords, or heroes but only if they give strong buffs instead of casting spells (still "bodyguardable" by shrine guards)
If Cold One Cav is expensive because of a risk of death stars, I hope that Black Knights, Chaos Knights, Brettonian Knights (of all kinds), SIlver Helms, Empire Knights, Cold One Knights and Dark Riders are all 30ppm+ too... Somehow, I doubt it though.
A lot of those knights are: Vastly inferior Have meh combat characters to support them Chaos knights are 33/37 pts without marks, but are easily more superior than our cavalry. Dread Knights are too cheap IMO. Also our knights ARE too expensive though. A lot of people have complained about it and I think it's straight up unreasonable to hit the unit when it's the potential characters that are the threat. I actually really liked them in the TAC where they were cheaper and the raptors had Born Predator. They didn't feel OP or auto-includes becaue we pay a lot to have I2 on these so we got to account for losing models before we strike. Anyway keep complaining. Hopefully we'll get changed at some time. So far not a lot of playtesters have used them and those who have felt that they were too expensive.
Well if buses are a problem, then you could discourage them with a special rule. Just replace the Raptor thats an Oldblood/Scar-Vet mount with something called "Raptor Alpha" with the special rule "Alpha: As the most ferocious Raptor in the pack, Saurus heroes take these as their personal mounts. However, Alphas are known to be extremely hostile to other Alphas. If two or more mounted Saurus heroes are in the same unit, that unit suffers x penalty." Where x can be anything you want to think of, like takes Stupidity on -3, loses Cold Blooded, has a cumulative penalty to Leadership for each mounted character in the unit, may not pursue/overrun, etc. Frankly, given that Saurus characters are more expensive, character walls are no longer a thing, and there's no Tetto'ekko, I don't really see the issue with buses anyway...
if they fear deathstars that much why don't they write in the rulebook that you can't have more than, i don't know, two characters in a single unit? They fear our deathstars but ironguts with first rank made by unbeatable heroes and VC with ethereal first rank are a bit worse IMO.
They want to avoid too many comp-like rules We'll see. Hopefully they'll allow us to lower the price eventually.
Hellloooo everyone! Just looking through our 9th age book for the first time. I've been up to my eyeballs in 40k, and haven't touched fantasy since Age of Sigmar (more due to the lack of other players than anything). Has anyone had much experience with the system? what are the initial thoughts?