9th Age Discussion of OpenHammer (ETC) and Ninth Age (Swedish Comp)

Make it at least 30 points cheaper. Perhaps 40 points.

 

@Scalenex it's obviously a bit confusing, however I think more people are interested in the newly released alfa from Swedish Comp.
Since we're discussong that in this thread I decided to make this thread about both ETC and Swedish Comp.

Anyway if you haven't seen it check the current Alfa from the Swedish Comp guys. I think itll be more of your liking. They're still doing some "drastic" changes to the BRB, but not like the ETC one and theirr army book suggestions look like something most people wanted, HOWEVER, LM barely got touched and this is just the alfa so I suggest we could send your LM list to then, maybe all, but I want to prioritize our own army first and help them out.

You can find the alfa thingy on the first page in the OP. It's at the bottom of the post.

 

@Pinktaco, if you want to send it, that's fine. I don't know enough about what they are doing to contact them myself. You don't have to credit me, credit Lustria-Online. I factored in the opinions of at least five other forumites working on that.

 

Alright, I think the list is a very good first update that shouldn't get anyone worked up. I'll figure out who to contact unless of course anyone know anything about that?

 

Oh one thing I like about the new magic system:

The more mages you have the more your dispel value is raised. So say you have 4 lvl 1 mages you then have what is equal to a lvl 4 mage in terms of dispel power. So you're not screwed just because you took a lvl 2 and two lvl 1 mages (which would be tempting with tettoeko).

You're still weak in terms of actually casting a spell, but most people fear the dispel phase and I think that's been addressed.

 

Do you know them or know much about it? You asked earlier if you should contact them and that's fine by me =]

 

That's likely because they're not finished. There are still other things that needs to be addressed and with all said and done our army isn't a top priority because of how well balanced it is. We need minor tweaks and these tweaks are stuff we know, but also stuff I fear a stranger to our army would miss.

 

That's very nice. I can see that people generally agree on certain things so overall I think we'll see stuff like PF working in second rank.

With that said I have some suggestions for you to add. I'll post them later.

 

It's way too cheap for what you get. Stubborn, regeneration, S/T6, impact hit AND thunderstomp and on top of that the "attacks" are flat out incredible. We can't take it with an Oldblood, we can't take it without the flaming banner (with many loses) and it comes with 6 wounds just because so we need an average of 120 poisoned shots to take it down.

Isn't it only like 225pts or so? Our own Stegadon is considered good and yet it doesn't do half of what HPA do.

 

Remove the Cannon issue and suddenly the HPA is super powerful. Considering everything else in the alfa list I see no reason not to expect a change to cannons.

I disagree to not compare the two. The ancient Stegadon is good in its own right. It has a very very powerful impact hit, so its still a treat in most games. The issue with HPA is that not only is it very very survivable, but it'll dish out a ridiculous amount of pain - for instance how about 3D6 S6 hits in your face? On top of impact hits and thunderstomp. Should one of those 3D6 hits actually wound you get -1 To Hit yay...
Its grossly overpowered for what you pay.

There are some very very bad monsters out there and the Stegadon certainly ain't "bad". It's perfectly average like the rest of any none character until in our book.

The chimera, Frost Phoenix and HPA are arguably better, which is why they should be more expensive.

Stuff like all other WoC monsters, all beastmen monsters the. Fire Phoenix, likely the big mammoth thingy from OK and the big spider from O&G need a point reduction to reflect their actual value and they're all likely worse than the Ancient Stegadon. That's a lot of monsters.

Then you have stuff like treeman who became awkward in the newest book, and the hydra who need the old regeneration.

Again if we compare the Steg to all monsters in the game it's actually a decent monster, not perfect like the fvcking chimera with its gazillion attacks at S6, regeneration, fly and flame breath just for gigglez, but still decent compared to a lot of other monster who will never see usage even if one were to remove the entire cannon issue.

With that said I wish the engine of the gods were like 30pts or so. I think 50pts is too much, but at 30 I'd definitely try it out some more.

Oh and if you wanna go in the "not all that great" area lets bring in the eternity champion of mediocre monsters a.k.a the troglodon. Boom talk about not being all that great

**edit** if we're talking monster I see no reason not to ccompare monsters to monsters. Some are better than others, but deep down they're still monsters who just want to come out to play regardless of whether or not it's fair!