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AoS How do you deal with Nagash/Endless spell spam

Discussion in 'Seraphon Tactics' started by Jason839, Aug 7, 2019.

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  1. Killer Angel
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    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    No way.
    Not when the VLoZD is immune to rend with the artefact and rerolls 1s tnx to Nagash's c.a.
    It's wounded only when it rolls a 2 on saves, and can be healed.
    You need mortal wounds, otherwise it's almost unkillable.
     
    Killer Angel, Aug 8, 2019
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    The trick is to kill it before Nagash gets to use him Command Ability or someone gives it Arcane Shield. My buddy use to run Nagash, VLoZD w/amulet, and bunch of Chainrasp & Grimghast. If you get first turn you can pretty reliably kill the VLoZD with Shadowstrike and occasionally Thunderquake in my experience. It isn't much scarier than any of the "unkillable" behemoths.
     
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  3. Jason839
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    So my understanding from everyone’s posts is pretty much go first and grab objectives, kill their scoring units, and then do your best to hold out until game ends?
     
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  4. LizardWizard
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    This exactly. Try to pick off minor heroes who provide deathless minions and can return slain summonable units. They will be more achievable targets than snipping Nagash.
     
    LizardWizard, Aug 8, 2019
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  5. Killer Angel
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    Yep, that's correct.
    And swarm the battlefield with summoned units. Nagash sits at 850 pts, you can have more bodies since the beginning
     
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    Well Yes, it can be done but it's not the easiest thing to do. ;)
     
    Killer Angel, Aug 8, 2019
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  7. Nart
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    After new GHB, VLoZD will command himself to reroll 1's thanks to new command abilities.
     
    Nart, Aug 10, 2019
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  8. LizardWizard
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    Same tactics works though. If you kill Nagash before the VLoZD gets it's turn then the player will have to choose between battleshock immunity, returning slain summonable units, or re-roll 1's to save. If you bring LoN to that point the you have won.
     
    LizardWizard, Aug 10, 2019
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  9. Jason839
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    Went 2-1 at locals today with LizardWizard’s Dracothion tail list. Lost to legions of grief. Tried to play it like you guys said and got on the objective early but couldn’t hold against the ghosts. Wiped units just kept coming back. It was rough.
     
    Jason839, Aug 11, 2019
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  10. LizardWizard
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    Legion's of Grief with Cryptflayers shoots is rough. Gratz on 2-1.
     
    LizardWizard, Aug 11, 2019
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  11. Erta Wanderer
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    what where your other match ups?
     
    Erta Wanderer, Aug 11, 2019
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  12. Jason839
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    Played a shootcast army rd 1. He turtled hard when he saw the rippers and I just kept putting guys on the objectives so he could never fully shoot them off. Rd 2 played the grief player and lost. Rd 3 played DOK a It was a close game but I was able to summon enough speed bump skinks that I squeaked out a win.
     
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  13. Lizerd
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    Awesome job! Do you have in-depth battle reports? The brief descriptions sound awesome and would be an interesting battle report to read :)
     
    Lizerd, Aug 12, 2019
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    Out of curiosity, where were you finding this in the GHB? I've skimmed through it and I can't find any mention of new command abilities for LoN...
     
    Tk'ya'pyk, Aug 21, 2019
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    It is one of the three new generic command abilities available to all armies.
     
    LizardWizard, Aug 21, 2019
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    I do not remember seeing those... Do you know what page they're on, if I may ask?:confused:
     
    Tk'ya'pyk, Aug 21, 2019
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    I don't have my GH handy, but I can look it up later for you if no one else beats me to it. They are shortly after terrain rules and the new triumphs if I remember correctly though.
     
    LizardWizard, Aug 21, 2019
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    Cool. That gives me an idea where to look. I'll see if I can scrounge up the information. :D

    Ah, I see, page 57 in a little section. That explains why I overlooked it. Those have the potential to be REALLY useful... for US...
     
    Tk'ya'pyk, Aug 21, 2019
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    I forget the page number but they are at the upper limit of the right hand side of the page that they are on. yeah my mind works weird lol
     
    ILKAIN, Aug 21, 2019
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    I thought about sharing that as well, but I thought naw, no one else thinks that way. LOL
     
    LizardWizard, Aug 21, 2019
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