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Discussion in 'Battle Reports' started by Killer Angel, Sep 7, 2018.

  1. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    At the end of the BatRep i wll do an analysis of my list, and i won't be soft, so stay with me...



    FIRST ROUND



    SERAPHON's turn

    Hero phase
    Not so much to do, after selecting the Sage's staff, i start with celestial equilibrium, double 1 but tnx to Grubs i reroll positively. Stellar tempest + arcane bolt kills 3 boys, Kroak's comet rolls a 10, but on a d6 units i roll 1, so i kill just one Brute on my left.
    double 1 on hand of glory, then i also cast geminids, placing them in the mausoleum: they could came handy at the beginning of the second round.
    Pretty unimpressive, but there was nothing more i could do.
    Move: i shift my screen units, anchoring the two 5-knights to the central mausoleum: it's a very solid defensive line, that will be able to block the charges in the following turn.
    The problem could be the second round: with a double ironjawz turn i would have exposed the rear units (salamanders on the left and carnosaur on the right)

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    IRONJAWZ turn

    Hero phase, spell countered
    Move, all the army moves forward (while accumulating waagh points).
    Charges: 1st boars on the left made it, 2nd boars on the left fail; on the right, tnx to the mausoleum and his huge base, Goddrakk needs a 8 (even with a +1), he rolls a 4 (2+2), and doesn't even bother to use the CP to reroll in hope of a 6.
    Just one knight dies.
    Excellent… at this point, a double turn by ironjawz should be manageable, but there's always the Waaagh that could give them a huge buff.


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    Slann

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    SECOND ROUND

    The central objective lands on my left (in the picture is hidden by the wall)

    i win the roll!

    i move the bounded geminids, and Goddrak suffers 3 MW, plus a -1 to his number of Attacks


    SERAPHON's turn

    Hero phase
    I select again the Sage's staff, starting with a successful celestial equilibrium,
    Goddrakk is in range of celestial deliverance for less than 1", but it's enough for me: it's the only target along with the unit of boars on my left, but i need so soften the beast. (in the picture I've traced the range of CD)
    triple successful casting (not that hard, with the massive bonuses): double 1 on 3 rolls against the boars, but i hit goddrakk every time: 3d3... 9 damages!
    I cast on a 10+ the comet, but again it's just 1 unit: Goddrakk, of course… and again, 3 full damages!
    i try arcane bolt, another wound. He's barely alive, But I've only one spell from the slann.
    The starpriest dispels the geminids, the Slann casts them again: d3 MW, and GODDRAKK IS DEAD (in the picture he's stil there, just flipped upside down).

    this single hero phase will probably be game changing, but I'm not done yet…

    02a.jpg

    From left to right:
    the 2 knights in melee disangages, and go to take the landed objective.
    the 10 knights charges the 2 survived boars (slaying them)
    the left sallies move and blast the other boars unit (bad move… being damaged, they gain a free move, and they will use it to negate me the points for the obj)
    The right sallies move and blast the boys. 3 survive
    the scarvet is buffed by the slann, flies over the line of knights and charges the survived boys, slaying them all.

    02b.jpg

    it's just the second round, but i feel the game is already in my hands, with the loss of goddrakk, ironjawz won't even be able to reach full waaagh potential.


    IRONJAWZ turn

    Hero phase, spell countered
    the unit of boars near my 2 knight kills 'em off, taking the obj.
    the 3rd unit of boars and the right unit of ardboys move in the hope of a double turn, to charge together the Carnosaur.
    the central unit of arboys charges the sallies, but are almost wiped away by the sallies in cc

    02c.jpg

    VP: 2-0 for Ironjawz.
    But I'm not worried




    THIRD ROUND

    The objective on my side lands exactly where my casters are
    The objective on ironjawz side lands near the pyramid (right side)

    i win the roll.


    SERAPHON's turn

    With magic i reduce the left boars, then my 10 knight will charge and obliterate them
    the central sallies burn away the last arboys locked in cc with 'em
    on my right, the screen-knights march, blocking the corridor between two forests (not that i needed it) thus protecting the sallies that move and shoot the right ardboys (kill a couple)
    the ScarVet on Carno charges and kills the 2 heroes (shaman and warchanter) near the pyramid.

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    third round, i control 3 objectives.

    VPs: 9-2 for Seraphon

    i've lost a unit of 5 knights, my opponent got one hero, 3 boars and a depleted unit of ardboys, so he concedes the game

    VICTORY FOR SERAPHON



    POST-GAME ANALYSIS

    I should be satisfied and happy with my list, right?
    well, sort of.

    positive notes:
    1) the trick with the placement of arcane ruins / RE works perfectly.
    2) I've managed to obtain a crushing victory, with a devastating strike from my magical department… almost 1000 pts were spent on it, and its impact was truly impressive. SO yeah, the lists did what it was designed for.
    3) I've exploited the scenery pieces, always granting me a solid defensive line of disposable screens, being ready to counterattack with my heavy calibers. Always use the table at your advantage, guys.
    4) The new buffed units (ScarVet and Knights) are devastating.
    5) Geminids are costly but great, and bound version of endless spells is an invaluable advantage. it's just brutal.
    6) the salamanders underperformed in the shooting phase. Imagine the devastation it they were more on average.

    negative notes:
    yeah, i won, but let's be honest: in this game everything went in my favor.
    1) the scenario? excellent, objectives that come late in the battle and let me play my game without being forced to recover points lost in the beginning. And also luck in the falling of said obj.
    2) my magical core? exceptionally strong, but also exceptionally slow, forced to work in a single block and (in the end) my threat range is kinda limited, as it works mostly within 16" of Kroak. And if i move from the ruins the chances of spell failure increase. SO, it's strong but it's truly limited.
    3) My opponent placed his pieces in a poorly way. I am forced to cast in the hero phase with no LoSaT shenanigans, so my range can be easily countered. If Goddrakk was placed just 1" away, it would have survived my cannonade.
    4) i was unlucky only in the spells vs the boars, but goddrakk… well, you are not always going to deal 15 damages on 5d3 dices vs the main danger. So this was the max potential of my damage, i cannot look at it and think it will be always the same, i can only do worse than this.
    5) speaking about luck. I rolled twice 10+ on casting the Comet, so d6 units… and i rolled twice a 1. Normally I'd say i was unlucky, but I'm not sure i was here. Ironjawz move for free units that have been damaged in every phase, so by targeting just 1 of them, i managed to negate them the extra move that would have brought their meleer near my lines.
    6) If you are drowning in command points but you are not able to use them, it's not good. I've got two main hitting units: the 10 knights and the ScarVet on Carno. The ScarVet can buff the knights only if they are nearby… and if i keep them near each other, i will hit hard on a single portion of the battlefield, leaving unguarded the rest of the board. If i divide them (as i did in this battle), i'm going to lose some useful buffs. In this case they weren't needed, but it's something to be aware of.
    7) My bodies on the battlefield are not that many: In the game i've got the bases barely covered, and i was against an army with low models count, with a good battlefield and a favorable mission. This list would suffer against many armies.


    so yeah, in the end i thing the list was fun and the game was a blast, but despite all of this, i think this list is not strong enought to be fielded in a competitive enviroment.

    Now, i'm ready for your thoughts / feedbacks :)
     
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  3. Killer Angel
    Slann

    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    After the new GHB2020, the friend of mine who lost to me with his orcs, wanted a Revenge, so he challenged me again with a very similar list. Sigh… sorry guys.


    so…


    Seraphon Vs Ironjawz
    (2000 pts)



    Battleplan

    KNIFE TO THE HEART

    KnifeToTheHeart.png

    If someone controls both the obj, wins the game. This is going to be brutal, and i doubt secondary objectives will be significant...


    Terrains

    I won the roll, so i let my opponent place all the objectives.
    My friend was a little intimidated by my list, so he didn't put too much attention, and then, when it was the time to place the RSE, there was only one place eligible, which was in one of the deployment areas.
    So, i picked the side with the RSE, ready to garrison it. YEAH!


    Realm


    We did not bother about it


    Army Lists

    SERAPHON

    -Coalesced +1 attack jaws, scaly skin

    Leaders:
    Lord Kroak
    (320)
    (celestial apotheosis)
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
    Skink priest (70)
    Skink priest (70)
    - Artefact: cloak +4 move, fly, -1 to be hit

    Behemoths:
    Dread Saurian
    (420)

    Battlelines
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    10 x Skinks (60)
    - javelin, shields
    5 x Saurus Guards (100)

    Other:
    3 x Salamanders (330)
    2 x Salamanders (220)


    Bound endless Spells:

    Lifeswarm (60) 1990



    IRONJAWZ

    Iron Sunz

    Leaders:
    2 x warchanter
    Shaman made with the rules for custom heroes, IIRC casts with a +2
    Megaboss on MawKrusha (artefact, reduce rend by 1)

    the rest:
    10 Ardboys
    2 x 5 brutes (elite troops with 2 dam weapons)
    3 x 3 goregruntas (elite on big boars)

    battalion




    I'm satisfied.
    In the magic game i am stronger than him, scaly skin works and i don't see anything that could pose a big threat to my DS
    in the first turn, i will suffer a -1 to hit opponent's units. not a nice thing, but hey.




    Set-Up


    from left to right, my opponent places the Ardboys with the warchanter and the shaman (these near the obj); mawkrusha ad the centre, with 5 brutes; then all the 3 units of the goregruntas on my left, along with a unit of brutes and the second warchanter.


    I field my units already knowing that almost certainly i will be forced to go first (more drops).
    left wing: 2 sallies with priest, screened by 5 knight
    left center: Dread Saurian, screened by skinks
    center: Kroak in the RSE, screened by guards and Astrolith
    right: 3 sallies with priest, screened by 5 knights


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    As predicted, my opponent decides to let me go first, which was kinda obvious: I'm out of range, there's no objective to take and he will have the potential to double turn.

    Let's go!
     
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    Slann

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    FIRST ROUND



    SERAPHON's turn

    Hero phase
    The RSE fails to damage the Mawkrusha, but deals some MWS to the brutes (killing 1) and 1 gruntas.
    the left priest fails to buff the 2 sallies, but the priest on the right succeeds, so i use a CP to give them a +1 to hit.
    I select the Sage's staff (and won't change it for the rest of the game), i cast lifeswarm, Kroak's comet (just 1 unit, the already damaged gruntas) and mystic shield on the skinks (yes).

    Move: i shift forward all my screen units, creating an advanced line: it's an aggressive approach with some risk (my objective is basically unguarded), the right knights march, to keep the pace of the running sallies, that run 6" with a cp, so they arrive in range to shoot the wounded gruntas.
    Kroak leaves the RSE and the right priest steps in.

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    shooting: the buffed sallies negate the malus to hit the ironsunz in the first turn, and I'm able to deal the needed wounds to delete the unit!

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    IRONJAWZ turn

    Hero phase, enemy's spell countered (no teleport, sorry)
    Move, all the army moves forward and charges with basically everything! this turn promises to be a bloodbath… but I've placed very carefully my astrolith bearer, and he's able to give FNP to a lot of units

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    Combat, with many of my units not charged but dragged into combat by my placement!
    we chomp, maim and kill each other, and when the dust settles, after battleshock, we still have many unit locked in close combat.
    From left to right:
    Ardboys w knights. 1 boy killed, 1 knight wounded
    Dread Saurian w Brutes; 2 brutes still alive, as they saved my 6-wounds chomp
    1 skink w Mawkrusha! scaly skin, mystic shield and FNP were crucial.
    1 sallies w gruntas (1 gruntas killed)

    the right knights were killed, but at least they were able to kill 1 brute

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    Of course, my line is crumbling, but it did its job. A double ironjawz turn could be very problematic:
    my main fear is on the right; my strong unit of 3 sallies could be killed, leaving an open field between the enemy and my objective, BUT the mawkrusha has been stopped, as it's locked in cc with a brave skink and won't be able to fly away and charge, so even a double turn could be manageable. But at that point i will have to fight defensively, using Lord Kroak's blasts and the DS.


    we just need to roll for the turn...
     
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    SECOND ROUND

    i roll a 2.
    My opponent rolls a 2 too! Sooooo good.

    i move the bounded lifeswarm, healing a knight


    SERAPHON's turn

    Hero phase
    My plan is pretty simple: blast with kroak as if there was no Tomorrow, my primary targets are: the brutes in CC with my DS (to unlock it from that cc) and the Mawkrusha (which is now stronger, having killed one model in the previous turn).
    Other damages to the rest of the units that are pressing me will be welcome.
    The left sallies then will blast the ardboys and the right ones will blast the gruntas in melee with them. (note: both the sallies have been successfully buffed with ability and command ability by their skink priest)
    at that point, my DS will be free and will charge the wounded mawkrusha. GG.

    RSE on the wood: i fail to damage the "DS brutes", only 1 damage on the mawkrusha.
    1st celestial deliverance: a roll a 1 on "DS Brutes", which are unaffected. Only 1 dam to Mawcrusha, minor damages to other units.
    2nd celestial deliverance: another 1 on "DS Brutes". 1 dam to Mawcrusha, minor damages to other units.
    3rd celestial deliverance: third 1 on "DS Brutes"! 1 dam to Mawcrusha (again).
    I cast comet. 6 units affected, i roll a 1. The 2 brutes still got 4 wounds so they cannot be killed; i pick the mawcrusha. 2 damages, for a grand (?) total of 6.

    I need a change of plans, if i want to send my DS against the winged monster.
    I retreat with the lone skink. The poor guy could be useful near my obj.
    i fall back with Kroak, the Astrolith and the Guards.
    the right sallies will blast their gruntas, while the left ones will blast the brutes in melee with the Dread Saurian, to free my King of the Jungle!

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    The right sallies wipe away the boars.
    the left sallies deliver 8 Attacks hitting on 2. i roll four 1s.
    the 4 hits, wound on a 3+. i roll 1, 1, 2, 2.
    not a single wound to those brutes, my DS is locked in CC with them and the mawcrusha is totally free, with just a few scratches.

    I decide to charge the ardboys with the left sallies (also piling in with the knights). Ardboys will be killed, opening the road.
    But i need to deal with the Megaboss on mawkrusha… i charge with the sallies!

    some punch, taking the beast down to 7 wounds; tnx to my 3+ save and the FNP, only 5 handlers die (command point for battleshock).
    In the meantime, the DS just pulverizes the 2 brutes.

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    IRONJAWZ turn

    Hero phase, spell countered
    the Maw krusha disengages from the sallies and places itself ready to charge, along with the last gruntas, hoping in a double turn, to crush the guards and jump on my obj. the last brutes are sent to deal with the sallies, buying some time.

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    THIRD ROUND


    i roll a 1, my opponent a 6. Double turn for ironjawz.



    IRONJAWZ's turn

    Charge!
    my priest in the RSE is reduced to 1 wound, the lone skink (who was able to close the passage for 1 of the gruntas) is killed, 3 guards are killed.
    but i am still there with Kroak, the astrolith (that FNP is simply wonderful), 2 guards and the priest.

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    SERAPHON's turn

    i just need the hero phase. this is the battlefield at the end of it:

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    My opponent concedes

    VICTORY FOR SERAPHON



    POST-GAME ANALYSIS


    1) even with the points increase, sallies are still strong, BUT they can roll horribly. Speaking of this…

    2) the Emerald lifeswarm is (at least with this list) useless. you can summon it, but you are not going to use it in turn 1... so it's 60 pts that are going to work for a limited amount of rounds. In this battle, I've just healed 1 wound on a knight. Now, a burning head to reroll 1s, for just 40 pts, would be much more useful.
    And all in all, the lifeswarm is not worth its points, especially if you take it to support a DS: if the enemy cannot kill it, the swarm is useless. if the enemy can kill a 35 w monster, than a d3/round is not going to save it.
    So, i believe that (on average) Emerald lifeswarm is the wrong endless spell to be picked, if you are fielding a dread Saurian.

    3) the Dread saurian. It's fun, and the opponent is scared by it. In this game it wasn't able to repay its points, but it remains a solid choice.

    4) Kroak is kroak. CPs factory, MWs warmachine if the enemy comes too near… it's becoming really hard to even think to leave him home.

    5) the Astrolith Bearer is just a vital unit. a FNP 6+ may seems not that great, but it's extremely useful.



    thoughts / feedbacks? :)
     
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    Very nice Battle report! Congratulations on the win
    Awful dice rolls on the sallies :confused:

    I have a question about turn two of the Ironjawz: You had charged the Mawcrusher with your sallies, but he manage to move over to the other side. Wasn't he in close combat with your sallies?
    And if he was able to move, why wait(and hope for priority) for the next turn to charge?

    I like your Post-Game analysis :)

    Grrr, Imrahil
     
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    it was probably due to Gork (or Mork?) which protected those brutes, because also the triple 1 on celestial deliverance was pretty below any average roll… :p

    in the hero phase, it can have a free move (in the first turn, it charged my front line because even with a double move, wasn't able to fly over all my units)

    because even if it's "free", it's still subject to the restriction that cannot charge if moved out of combat.
    In this specific situation this ability wasn't that great, but when the megaboss is not locked in combat, basically can move twice.

    Thanks! the analysis also help me focus on the weak points of the lists, so i can fix them.

    the next time i will probably test a thunder-lizard thunderquake, with double basti, 6 kroxigors and skink chief on stegadon… i just hope i will face a different army! :p
     
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    Other then the obvious "Needs more carnosaurs" I would say that the list is solid. The points drop for the dread saurian has made it.. somewhat viable? Even if it has shoddy to hit rolls, the sheer damage of it and the massive amount of wounds you can get at a solid durability is somewhat ludicrous.

    My thoughts on salamanders: honestly 110 points seems like an overkill, but they still have some uses. This might also make razordons a little more favorable when comparing to salamanders. As for kroak, kroak did what kroak does best: everything except melee combat. I feel like he will be a staple until GHB 2021 if they nerf him at all.

    Finally my thoughts on lifeswarm, its a fun idea but if you cant get immediate use out of it its not worth it. Only going to be worth it for large monsters as most monsters (From stegs, Carnos, terrorgheists, maw krushas) usually get smashed in a single round of combat meaning life swarm has not much use for them. Honestly just take gemnids, only 10 points more and offers far more utility
     
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    With the Errata to the points cost of the DS (from 420 to 510), the above list is now illegal.

    it could be fixed in this way, but honestly i don't know if it's still worth it.

    Leaders:
    Lord Kroak
    (320)
    (celestial apotheosis)
    Saurus Astrolith Bearer (140)
    Skink priest (70)
    Skink priest (70)
    - Artefact: cloak +4 move, fly, -1 to be hit

    Behemoths:
    Dread Saurian
    (510)

    Battlelines
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    5 x Saurus Knights (100)
    - Lances
    5 x Saurus Guards (100)

    Other:
    3 x Salamanders (330)
    2 x Salamanders (220)


    Bound endless Spells:

    Burning head (40) 2000
     
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    the fact that the dread saurian is now 420 is confirmation that its a total meme.

    so use it :D
     
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    and back to 510
     
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    Stupid GW!!!!!!!!!!
    Sure, emergency call to change the points on the Dread, but noooooooooooo , not the realmshaper engine.....
    What is wrong with GW? Sometimes i get so mad with them.....
     
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    As much as i share the sentiment, i took the liberty to edit your post with a less strong statement about their intelligence and morality... ;):D
     
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    you are absolutly right, thx :D
     
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    darn now I wish I had seen that before hand... sometimes its nice to see someone that speaks as bluntly as myself lol
     

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