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Hi, What a mistery...
I would like to know how do you make this list work? You must be a genius strategist and be very lucky xD, I try this list with some variants (replace the ScV with more skinks and basicly a Astrolith bearer) and they (LoN legion of blood or something like that) literally liquidated me ... The Knight saurus does affraid even a gobelin haha, and if you have the option to charge wirh both rippers and SK, who hit first? My knights were destroyed T-T

 

Starting here, the next four battle reports are a slightly modified version of @LizardWizard's 2K DT lost. I had decent success with it. I'm building towards the list again in the current 2K Escalation League I'm in. In the battles I've used it in so far, the main reason I didn't win two of the battles was poor decision making on my part and difficulty remembering all the abilities afforded by the list. I think I'll do much better with it this time around and look forward to trying it again.

I would echo @LizardWizard's assessment of the list. I don't expect much of the Knights, but they do a good job holding up units, while the Saurus Heros, Rippers, and Razordons do the work. Meanwhile Skinks are running amok keeping your VP flowing. It's a great list, but definitely takes several games to get comfortable with.

 

Thx very nmuch for explaining to me!

First i would like to say that im searching to build my own unbeatable list ....I want to be the very best, like no one ever was!!! okay okay focus xD

I read the 4 battles, against Tzeentch no problem, in game versus Skavens i don't understand why he don't snipe Slann T1? the jezail shoot starpriest?... In my community there is 1 player Skaven and i have won 4 times and 1 loose...Shadowstrike are very strong against him!
The game vs DoK is exactly what happend to me yesterday against LoN- 2 charges are very bad for seraphon, especially with rippers and Saurus K, because they saves on 5 .... saying this I started to analyze the list PRO/CONS of Dracothion BT

PRO:
- Get one drop, so decide who go first
- More CP (good but Command Hability of Seraphon are Meh, to reroll charges and other i suppose)
- TP from heaven who allow to control (for a few moment) map territory
(Forgot some one? pls tell me !!!!)

CONS:
- Cost of the battalion: 860 /with ScV on CO and 1000 on Carno - All of this for 44/49 Wounds (30 wounds saving on 5)
- Put the slann at risk - Magic - Shooting - Charges? (example battle 2 against Skavens - get lucky staying at 1 wound xD and against DoK)
- 5 Knight Event boosted don`t do several damage - they aren't tanky and also they are just 5 models, so capture Objectives and resist on it are not a good choice for them
- A problem with this list playing with Shadowstrike starhost is that you cannot make 2 charges or more when the rippers charges, because Saurus K are going to die in ripost of enemy unit...(Example DoK battle)
-If the doble TP on Slann doesn't work?
- I think its easy to counter it when you understand that the important unit are :
- the Skinks (if they die you can't grab/score objectives, and summon new is in the end of turn so loosing time to moove/tp them)
- Slann (easy kill if you stay in enemy territory and don't have doble turn)
- Attack the Saurus K with some less important stuff (im shure that they event cannot kill a magician if he charge them xD)

So, i know that Saurus K are not here to make damage, but it would not be better play 10 Saurus Knight on heaven buffed with 3CP of the Scar Vet on CO an maybe an Astrolith Bearer? (its probabely stupid but well ^^")(he can be on heaven right?)

And finally, if the purpose of this is make a very strong presion on enemy territory why not play with 40 Saurus Warriors and TP them back to enemy units - 40 Saurus Warrios (360 points) are going to die but entertain enemy (+shadowstrike turn 2 ) for 2 or 3 turn while skinks grab VP? And maybe with doble tp with Astrolith Bearer into the unit of Saurus Warriors xD ....

Searching the true in the lustria World, i said: THX for answear and sorry for my grammar

 

@General Grivious He can't snipe my Slann T1 because I hide the Slann behind cover. Jezzails require LoS. Since he's primarily a summoning battery and his unbinds are board wide I always deploy him behind or in cover and towards the back of my zone.

I've not tested 10x Knights and an AstroBear, but for me, I'd rather have a Carnosaur.

I wouldn't call the Slann an easy kill. On a BW (which I use until 2K) he's got a 3+ save and depending on the Ulgu defense Artefact, he can be untargetable by melee (once), or -1 to be hit. And there's always the Seraphon Artefact. Great Rememberer gives you two chances at a 3+ teleport, so it's good odds you won't be stuck in enemy territory. IIRC, any time that's happened to me, it's been due to me forgetting to use LoSaT, not because it didn't work. Plus, I can often teleport him into cover, making his Save better. He's not super hard, but if you don't make poor decisions with him, he should survive just fine.

Yes, Knights are a tax, but they make for a good screen and can do some work. Trust me, I have plenty of issues with Saurus units, but they can be effective.

The one drop makes a huge difference. Determining how the game starts allows for so much opportunity, especially when you leave your opponent guessing at how they should deploy, because you have 4-5 units that aren't deployed.

This list absolutely requires a high level of strategy and little room for error, but it's not restrictive and makes for a serious mind game to the opponent.

 

Knights are best at minimum size, if you want to have 10 just get two units. A unit of 10 is simply quite unwieldy and the majority of buffs we can place on them are AoE anyways. The flexibility offered by being able to split them into two groups and the overal more general ease of movement far outweights the benefit of getting serpent staff on 10 models at a time.

Also, they're about the only saurus model that isn't a genuine tax, they're the only ones even resembling cost-efficient and the only ones that can do their job without requiring to be buffed with everything we got. The depressing thing is just that their job isn't very impressive and glamorous as it mostly involves dying in droves while chipping away at the enemy. On the bright side, it's slightly more glamorous than a skinks job, skinks don't even get to chip away at the enemy

 

Shouldn't we all?

 

I hope, new battletome will give us battle trait, that makes bastiladons and stegadons battleline, allowing to field true thunderbeast army.

 

How do you deal with the FEC Gristlegore general in your DT/SS list?
In my experience, shadowsyrike doesn't work vs him as he will attacks twice before Rippers ever get a chance (and he usually can clear 6 rippers in one attack phase when he is kitted properly).

I've killed him with bastiladons and with double turns of 8 razors.

Just curious what your strategy is against FEC Ghoul King on TG in gristlegore.

Love the DT/SS list! Lightbulb clicked when I read your summaries of it!!

 

@LizardWizard Does it make any sense to run your Shadowstrike 1k list without Razordons?

I am using the release of Contrast paints as an excuse to start an AoS army, and looking to build a Skink/Monster- based list (TW2 Tehenhauin campaign is a great inspiration). Razordons are not available anymore, and I am not really keen on converting them (scoured the internets, did not see a single idea that I liked).

My gaming environment would be casual/semi-competetive, but everybody else has Fantasy/AoS experience, I only played 40k for a bit over a year now. Most of my games would be against Stormcast, Nighthaunt and a bit of Skaven.

 

You should be fine without the razordons, especially in a more casual setting. Just get them as your next investment once they become available again.

 

Does i make any sense to live without Razordons? :/

 

Thanks for the quick reply, although after lurking this forum for a few days I'm not really surprised.

Man, that list looks strange coming from 40k, especially as a Tyranid player. So few bodies, lol.

Any thoughts on just changing the Razordons to a Troglodon to keep the big Skink unit? Seems like a waste to not have a stronger unit to benefit from "The Trap is Sprung". And 50 Skinks with some proper jungle bases should look dope on the table

 

A unit of skinks will Always hit like a wet noodle no matter how you try to buff em up. Don't bother with using them offensivly unless you can literally throw 100's at your opponent so he gives up in frustration