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8th Ed. Neutrel no more.

Do you agree, should they have remained neutrel?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 32.0%

  • No

    Votes: 26 52.0%

  • I'm not sure

    Votes: 5 10.0%

  • I don't care

    Votes: 3 6.0%
  • Total voters
    50
good and evil are just opinion....hitler thought he was good, just has WoC think they are serving a greater good. the US is out freeing iraq for the greater good, but those who liked their country the way it was view the US as evil and thus attack them at every chance they get.

on a side note, was LM the first race?
i have yet to catch back up on my lore and such.
 
Forsak3n_Oldblood said:
on a side note, was LM the first race?
i have yet to catch back up on my lore and such.
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No there are several races that where there when the Old Ones came, two that i remember off the top of my head are the draon ogres and the dragons themselves, some animal species are from that era too the Stegadon being a good example.
Lizardmen where however the 1st race created by the Old Ones, first came the slaan then the saurus followed by skinks and kroxigor.
 
They where like tools designed for specific purposes.
Slaan – trusted companions, tasked with the terraforming process and overseeing the empire.
Saurus – exterminators meant to cleanse the world of races that did not fit with the plan.
Skinks – artisans and administrators meant to run the empire on a more daily basis than the slaan.
Kroxigor – builders and laborers, genrally meant for heavy lifting or tasks too big for the skinks alone.
 
so they were basically there to balance everything out, which brings me to my original point in a more philosophical point of view.

once they cleanse the world of the forces of destruction(chaos) there will be no more evil, hence, no more good. you cant have one without the other, so it seems they were intially designed to be neutral.

just my opinion :)
 
Forsak3n_Oldblood said:
so they were basically there to balance everything out, which brings me to my original point in a more philosophical point of view.

once they cleanse the world of the forces of destruction(chaos) there will be no more evil, hence, no more good. you cant have one without the other, so it seems they were intially designed to be neutral.

just my opinion :)
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Yes they are netrual in relation to good and evil . But they are not neutral when it comes to the order and destruction. This is a major change in the new allignment for 8th eddition, as opposed to when things where divided by good and evil. Good is not the same as Order, and Destruction does not automatically equal Evil.

So you are right lizardmen are neutral as they are neither good or evil.
And i am right because they are servants of the Old Ones who where beings of Order.

The one little difference being that you're right for last edditon and i'm right for this one ;)
 
i've been playing catch up with the past few editions...i believe i stopped playing at 6th edition :rolleyes:
 
Yea GW decided to rework the allignment sistem compleetly, replacing Good vs Evil with Order vs Destruction, and even though that left most racial alliances mostly unaffected it did move the lizards out of netrual.
 
HoverBoy said:
Forsak3n_Oldblood said:
So you are right lizardmen are neutral as they are neither good or evil.
And i am right because they are servants of the Old Ones who where beings of Order.
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Why do you keep mixing the Old One's Order with the Order from the BRB is beyond my comprehension.

I really keep failing to see what do the Lizardmen have different from the Tomb Kings. For me, they are as much Order as the TK could be Destruction.
 
Conifer said:
Why do you keep mixing the Old One's Order with the Order from the BRB is beyond my comprehension.
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There is no "the Order" in the BRB it just says some races are the forces of order, which does not magically result in some alliance named "the Order".
 
Actually there is. And its not an alliance, its an alignment.

Hence my point of view in Lizardmen neutrality.
 
No offenc but... Do you even know what allignment means?
Because one of it's definitions is:
A state of agreement or cooperation among persons, groups, nations, etc., with a common cause or viewpoint.

Oddly enough lizardmen are supposed to have common vewpoints with the rest of the order aligned races on most things, it's a side effect of these creatures being created by the Old Ones in the first place and thus being genetically programmed for whatever the great plan actually was/is. Making it likely for them to cooperate with nations, human, elf and/or dwarf, that haven't strayed too far off said plan.
 
although i may be new to WFB and know relativly little about the other races i've read the old codex in detail and here's what i think:
the lizardmen arn't on either the good or bad side and neither do they just sit on the fence; imo they are in their own catagory, where their pretty much against everything else(rather like the tyranids of 40k)
if i must pick good, bad, or neutral, than they would be the only good race in the game as the other races fight for greed or chaos
hope this helps ;)
 
They are currenlty forced to cooperate, if not compleeetly, with the other races of order just to get rid of chaos, once that is achieved there's no telling what they'll do to "convince" their former allies to comply with the great plan.
 
You mean Mazumunindi's interpetation of the plan... ;)
 
The other races do not need to comply.
They are like children playing with a pair of scissors. The parents who know better will have to take the scissors away from them, tell them how to behave, what to do, and if necessary dicipline them.

The other races are too inexperienced and too ignorant to know what is best for the world and them. We want them to live and prosper, but they need to live and prosper in the way that the old ones intended them to do.

The old ones where trying to create a world of peace and order and in the pursuit of that goal the LM are doing whatever it takes. This should be the ultimate good guys since they are doing nothing for themselves.

However this discussion mostly comes down to wether you think that the old ones were the ultimate good guys and wether or not it would be a good thing if their plan was followed. Since the fluff point out that chaos is responsible for all evil and the old ones where the ultimate opponent of chaos I would say that they have to be good to the bone, and therefor their plan needs to be good as well.
 
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