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Discussion in 'Seraphon Discussion' started by Logan8054, Jan 28, 2019.

  1. Putzfrau
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    Putzfrau Well-Known Member

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    No worries at all! I actually think a big part of the problem is that people aren't being experimental enough. There is definitely more than one competitive list and I think the negativity helps feed that narrative. If people embraced the power and really explored our book's incredible depth, I think we'd be surprised. Most of our army is not subpar, you don't have to play kroak, salamanders, and skinks to win and you can 100% play saurus and dinos and do well, at least in my opinion.

    Just feel like the problems of other armies are being overexaggerated and the power of our army is being downplayed which makes thing look even more skewed. You can do just as much about sentinels as you can about teleporting salamanders or run and shooting 40 skinks, or even 3d6 charging knights. Things are crazy out there man, but every game you play isn't against changehost. The books good, believe in it, play tons of games, use tons of units. Go wild man.
     
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  2. Killer Angel
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    Killer Angel Prophet of the Stars Staff Member

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    Pretty much.
    the only "problem" in our army is the need to rely heavily on synergies, which comes with 2 issues:
    - many of the key heroes are frail ones
    - to make synergies work requires a certain degree of skill, while other armies are just strong without the need to align circumstances to unleash the combo.

    But our overall potential is still high.
     
  3. Erta Wanderer
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    yah most of the problem is a VERY high skill floor and a bunch of new players.
    the main reason i personally don't think we are at the top is that we are so easy to pick apart. nothing in our book is all that durable and it's only a mater of time until people figure out how to counter us or kroak is nerfed. i know we have been doing well so far but i think thats more to do with a high representation then anything else. i don't know for sure i have been having a hell of a time finding decent stats. that and 2 of our major opponents just got a big buff.
    TLDR we are good but hard to use. i am still wary but most of my complaints are poor/boring warscrolls and abandonment of the core rules that i loved not over all power.
     
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  4. Canas
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    I'd add on to that that there's also a serious disconnect between our rules & our fluff in places, especially for our saurus. What should be relativly elite medium to heavy troops according to the lore end up fighting like hordes of light cannonfodder. Which is just kinda weird.
     
  5. Erta Wanderer
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    ya that's why i really wish TG weren't terrible or we kept our shields. heck just make it a MW protection ability instead of rend nullification it is so easy to pick our guys apart with mortals.
     
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  6. Erta Wanderer
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    on a separate note blood bowl keeps getting the fun dinosaurs
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    any idea if we can proxy him as something?
    if nothing else he would make a good dragon oger
     
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  7. Ryanj4043
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    Give him a hammer and make him a really odd kroxigor.
    Give him a gold cannon and a shield to make him a really, really weird bastilidon.
     
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  8. Putzfrau
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    Totally, its definitely not a straight forward book. Actually why I think focusing more on what it's capable of with good play is so important. I think the fangs of sotek list comes across as "the only competitive option" because it just has so many fall backk mechanics, it's easy to recover from mistakes. Summoning, teleporting, massive overwatch, and strong range/magic mortal wound damage really covers a lot of holes that you would have to actually play around with a different list.
     
  9. Dread Saurian
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    I've played against my gms lumineth and I didn't think they were better but then again anyone who is trying to cast vs a kroak and a slann is in for a world of hurt. And 2 flying dread saurians with a 2+ save vs ranged is a pain for most to deal with
     
  10. Dread Saurian
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    That is a dragon ogor I thought xD
     
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  11. LordBaconBane
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    I believe a huge problem with AoS in general is that a lot of people don't play a lot of different armies, and even if they do, they likely cannot run diverse builds of those armies. People will be so laser focused on their army they either only see the strengths or (most of the time) only see the weaknesses. I used to struggle vs Skaven until I started list building Skaven armies in the anticipation of facing Seraphon armies. Once I started to do that, I began defeating my buddy that plays Skaven more.
     
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  12. Kilvakar
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    Yeah, playing other armies definitely gives you a much deeper understanding of how they work and how to play against them. Unfortunately most people can't afford to have multiple large armies. Thankfully TTS lets you practice with anything, so maybe that's a good way to learn how to counter other "OP" armies...
     
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  13. LordBaconBane
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    Sometimes it's not even about playing, but just about list building. The difficult part is understanding the ins and outs of a faction without getting the book. I did a lot of Skaven list building but I found out some of their strengths and weaknesses.
     
  14. Kilvakar
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    Very good advice.
     
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  15. Erta Wanderer
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    one of the many reasons wizard and I can go for so long when covering a army
     
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  16. 4idvet
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    Well we didn’t see any underworlds war band today... anyone got any speculation as to why?
     
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  17. LordBaconBane
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    I suspect its because today was heavy Chaos focused. (Decay for 40k and decadence for AoS).

    I don't know when the Seraphon warband will be fully revealed, hopefully soon, but we'll see.
     
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  18. Kilvakar
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    At the very least seeing Sigvald return shows that GW at least isn't afraid to bring back old characters from Fantasy. Maybe there's hope for the return of some Lizardmen after all...
     
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  19. xoid
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    Bring back Nakai you cowards.

    Actually I told my buddy that if I had the money/equipment/skills needed for such a project I'd love to make a giant Kroxigor model to use as a Mega-Gargant Mercenary (the Kraken is the correct one I believe?) and call it an Avatar of Nakai.
     
  20. Kilvakar
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    That would be really awesome! Perhaps there is a nice larger-sized 3D print model out there that would work well in that respect?
     

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