AoS NEW *rumor*

[ILKAIN]

It’s possible, but I’m not sure if coronavirus can be carried on paper and survive for the time in transit. What’s more likely is that they being slow and taking their sweet time..

it doesn't matter that it cant be carried on paper, its the workers on the ship that are being quarantined. I used to work with customs and border patrol when I was in the army. you pick up a thing or two here and there lol

 

[Lizerd]

it doesn't matter that it cant be carried on paper, its the workers on the ship that are being quarantined. I used to work with customs and border patrol when I was in the army. you pick up a thing or two here and there lol

Makes sense, but I think there is an easy solution to all this


Just wear a spooky bird mask, all will be well

 

[Canas]

It’s possible, but I’m not sure if coronavirus can be carried on paper and survive for the time in transit. What’s more likely is that they being slow and taking their sweet time..

edit; coronavirus is really not as scary as it’s made out to be, most cases seem like a slightly worse cold. It’s unlikely that it’s delaying the shipping

it's even not the necesarly the desease that's the issue but all the measures the chinese goverment has taken. E.g. they put in an extra week of forced holidays that only ended last weeks so a whole bunch of factories simply weren't running. Which has led to supply-chain concerns for companies in europe (amongst other things for medicines and high-grade technologies that depend on chinese half-fabricates somewhere in their supply chain). It wouldn't be surprising if GW also has difficulty

 

[Erta Wanderer]

it's even not the necesarly the desease that's the issue but all the measures the chinese goverment has taken. E.g. they put in an extra week of forced holidays that only ended last weeks so a whole bunch of factories simply weren't running. Which has led to supply-chain concerns for companies in europe (amongst other things for medicines and high-grade technologies that depend on chinese half-fabricates somewhere in their supply chain). It wouldn't be surprising if GW also has difficulty

but why not make an announcement like when sylvaneth was held back?

 

[Canas]

but why not make an announcement like when sylvaneth was held back?

that announcement was also only made once the delay had been going on for a while. Maybe they're still hoping they might get their stuff ready within an acceptable timeframe.

 

[Lustrian Giant]

Not that it could mean anything, but I was talking to one of the employees at my local GW, and he said we might not see the new book for a few months.
Take with a gram of salt, they only know as much as we do

 

[Carnikang]

Not that it could mean anything, but I was talking to one of the employees at my local GW, and he said we might not see the new book for a few months.
Take with a gram of salt, they only know as much as we do

Taking with a heap, because as has been stated before, local GW employees don't know anything about releases until they're practically on them. Like us.
Unless they work at Nottingham, or are leaking stuff that could be considered sneak peaks, it's often best to not take anything said with any sort of value attached.
Unfortunately.

My own local GW store manager was saying he expected Seraphon late Feb, but had no idea what SoB(Behemat) were when I asked him if he had heard any rumors from the community.

 

[ILKAIN]

but why not make an announcement like when sylvaneth was held back?

Because unlike America, which promotes freedom of speech, even if its condescending against our leaders (or especially depending on your view lol) China does not. in fact they actively take steps to control all information and negative images about their government. GW has a huge market there, and has business deals there. you don't want to agitate the (Winnie the pooh) Bear that is china's leader

 

[Erta Wanderer]

Because unlike America, which promotes freedom of speech, even if its condescending against our leaders (or especially depending on your view lol) China does not. in fact they actively take steps to control all information and negative images about their government. GW has a huge market there, and has business deals there. you don't want to agitate the (Winnie the pooh) Bear that is china's leader

what? how would letting us know that books will be delaid due to "shipping problems" anger china? they don't have to tell us why just that it was happening

 

[ILKAIN]

what? how would letting us know that books will be delaid due to "shipping problems" anger china? they don't have to tell us why just that it was happening

because that's how china is. I study politics my friend... and you should see the bs china does. there is a reason I made the Winnie the pooh reference

 

[Captaniser]

because that's how china is. I study politics my friend... and you should see the bs china does. there is a reason I made the Winnie the pooh reference

To be fair it might not be as much a China problem, as it is a corporate trying to save face by not admitting an unforeseen issue has ocurred.

 

[ILKAIN]

To be fair it might not be as much a China problem, as it is a corporate trying to save face by not admitting an unforeseen issue has ocurred.

also quite possible. its also possible that they originally planned to drive us nuts with a delayed release after announcement lol

 

[Antisense]

GW may not be too worried about upsetting AOS customer base, and if anything, they may think delayed gratification only amps up excitement. AOS is clearly GW's lower priority, with 40k taking far more precedence. It's also likely sales have not exploded to the degree they've expected. Their announcement that they are working on a return to square bases is indicative of that. No company would intentionally make a new product that competes directly with an existing line if they didn't feel like the net positive was worth it. I, for one, am more excited for AOS than ever, but that also causes me to worry about its future. If we are to get as frequent updates as the numerous 40k factions, AOS needs to sell better.

 

[Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl]

GW may not be too worried about upsetting AOS customer base, and if anything, they may think delayed gratification only amps up excitement. AOS is clearly GW's lower priority, with 40k taking far more precedence. It's also likely sales have not exploded to the degree they've expected. Their announcement that they are working on a return to square bases is indicative of that. No company would intentionally make a new product that competes directly with an existing line if they didn't feel like the net positive was worth it. I, for one, am more excited for AOS than ever, but that also causes me to worry about its future. If we are to get as frequent updates as the numerous 40k factions, AOS needs to sell better.

I wouldn’t say 40K gets higher priority all the time, as last year AoS has greater priority due to GW releasing so many Second Edition books - they’ve just decided to give 40K priority this year as they did the year before last. I wouldn’t be surprised if they gave AoS more priority again next year.

I wouldn’t say they’re bringing back Fantasy as a replacement to AoS, as AoS has sold very well and it would be silly to kill it off only after a couple of editions. The reason they are introducing TOW is to cater to all the existing Fantasy players who were snubbed by them when they released the End Times, and also the new potential playerbase that has arisen from the success of Warhammer: Total War, essentially reaching out to a different group of customers like when they first released AoS.

 

[Carnikang]

It isn't just catering to old Fantasy players, or new Fantasy players from TW. There are several Fantasy rank and file games gaining popularity. Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings and KoW: 3rd Edition, are knocking on that door hard. Song of Fire and Ice is also similarly part of that genre, but haven't seen it gain that much traction

Announcing a product 3+ years out generally isn't the best idea, but when you have competition trying to move in on a market you used to corner under your belt, I could see it being a possible avenue to gain attention and detract from them.

AoS is doing fine from what I can tell. Cancon had 200 participants, other circuits are growing exponentially, and AoS is a breeding ground for new ideas and mechanics. They also take more risks with AoS, which is a breath of fresh air compared to 40k currently.

 

[Cuetzpal Pilli]

Speaking of TOW & AoS coexisting, the running (and I think stated) conjecture is that minis from AoS will be able to be be used for the same/original army in TOW, correct? (i.e. Seraphon as Lizardmen, CoS as Dwarfs/HE/DE/Wood Elves, etc.)

With people mentioning square bases though, I'm guessing this will come to mean, "Yes, you can purchase that box of saurus warriors and use them in AoS with round bases, or in TOW with square bases...but not both." Is this the general consensus at the moment?

I know we have basically NO actual info available to confirm, but I'm curious to see what everyone thinks about this. I'm really hoping that doesn't end up being the case as I would not be happy if I had to buy the same army all over again for the other game. As a business, I know GW would love that, but I feel that would upset many customers who would like to play both.

I think the best solution would be to sell movement trays that take up the same overall area, but will accommodate either squares or rounds. Song of Fire & Ice kind of does this; the models themselves come on round bases, but the movement trays in the game are all roughly the same size by unit type yet house round bases (I don't play the game, but I've see a few bat-reps by GMG) .

 

[LordBaconBane]

Speaking of TOW & AoS coexisting, the running (and I think stated) conjecture is that minis from AoS will be able to be be used for the same/original army in TOW, correct? (i.e. Seraphon as Lizardmen, CoS as Dwarfs/HE/DE/Wood Elves, etc.)

With people mentioning square bases though, I'm guessing this will come to mean, "Yes, you can purchase that box of saurus warriors and use them in AoS with round bases, or in TOW with square bases...but not both." Is this the general consensus at the moment?

I know we have basically NO actual info available to confirm, but I'm curious to see what everyone thinks about this. I'm really hoping that doesn't end up being the case as I would not be happy if I had to buy the same army all over again for the other game. As a business, I know GW would love that, but I feel that would upset many customers who would like to play both.

I think the best solution would be to sell movement trays that take up the same overall area, but will accommodate either squares or rounds. Song of Fire & Ice kind of does this; the models themselves come on round bases, but the movement trays in the game are all roughly the same size by unit type yet house round bases (I don't play the game, but I've see a few bat-reps by GMG) .

It will likely be round base holders to make square formations. That is my guess anywho.

 

[Antisense]

I wouldn’t say 40K gets higher priority all the time

Sure, we have our seasons of frenzied activity, but if you sum up the average within a year, or across years, you have to admit that 40k gets much more attention overall. I said "far more precedence," not "always focuses on." Do you dispute that point?

I wouldn’t say they’re bringing back Fantasy as a replacement to AoS,

Who said that? Certainly not I... The point is, and as someone else has said as well, GW sees that there continues to be a market for square bases, as the new games that have popped up and have continued to thrive can attest to. So there's money to be made by going back in, but you always have to wonder if it is worth it from a costs and resources perspective. You can think of GW as an entity with infinite resources and time, but of course, that's not true of any business. If AOS has done so well that they can pretty much ignore square bases as an unprofitable relic of the past (as I think they were hoping), then they wouldn't be thinking of, again, developing a product that competes with their own game. Now if GW has such a surplus of profit that they can afford to make a new game (and announce it early just to pique fan attention) just to throw their weight around and reclaim that market sector, then fine, it's unrelated to how AOS is doing.

 

[Antisense]

Announcing a product 3+ years out generally isn't the best idea, but when you have competition trying to move in on a market you used to corner under your belt, I could see it being a possible avenue to gain attention and detract from them.

I disagree. I think once you as a company decide with finality that you're going to wade back into "rank and flank" square base wargaming and reclaim your old seat of dominance, you immediately announce it. The pros: All those former fantasy players hear this, and now they are anticipating a preferred use of their WHFB miniatures coming in the future. It's part of the conversation now, even as they continue to play the other games. This may affect their purchases of KoW, Last Argument, and other brands. They may not sell-off their models, etc.
Cons: Bad feels from waiting fans? Damaging the AOS scene somehow? (I don't think this announcement really does).

These effects are all pretty subtle, but I think it's mostly pro. It feels like a total power move, as if you look around, pretty much every genre of gaming you can think of, GW has a product for. It seems like GW is really trying to throw their weight around and be the one and only name in tabletop Wargaming. What's next? Reintroduction of Historicals? (I'd be into that, btw)

 

[Carnikang]

I disagree. I think once you as a company decide with finality that you're going to wade back into "rank and flank" square base wargaming and reclaim your old seat of dominance, you immediately announce it.

I don't think you read what I wrote clearly...

I said again "Generally it's not the best idea to announce a product 3+ years out" followed by the modifier of competition and detracting from said competition.
Meaning you just disagreed with what I said, and then repeated it longform....