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Lizerd said:
while this is relatively unrelated, i have seen rumors talking about our points changes when the ghb drops, so i pose this, what should we expect from the next ghb?
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I think we had a couple of threads about that not long ago.

Personally, it's still too early to think about GHB2021 as we don't know if 3Ed will come out at the same time. Maybe because of covid, they reschedule it to 2022.
 
Lizerd said:
while this is relatively unrelated, i have seen rumors talking about our points changes when the ghb drops, so i pose this, what should we expect from the next ghb?
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NecridHydra said:
I think we had a couple of threads about that not long ago.
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Yeah, much discussion on that topic of late. I think we gon' git nerfed hard, lol! Gotta make those new Lumineth and Slaanesh battletomes more attractive, lol!
 
Kilvakar said:
Yeah, much discussion on that topic of late. I think we gon' git nerfed hard, lol! Gotta make those new Lumineth and Slaanesh battletomes more attractive, lol!
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That would explain why they came out with snake ladies in DoK... get that sweet Seraphon player base interested early.

But we'll likely see some heavy-handed nerf because of the majority of the feedback being pretty loud.
 
Kilvakar said:
Yeah, much discussion on that topic of late. I think we gon' git nerfed hard, lol! Gotta make those new Lumineth and Slaanesh battletomes more attractive, lol!
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I hope we don't get nerfed massively, I'd leave the game if so.

Aside, a friend of mine told me we were going to be in the second or third Broken Realms book, can anyone confirm that?
 
NecridHydra said:
I hope we don't get nerfed massively, I'd leave the game if so.

Aside, a friend of mine told me we were going to be in the second or third Broken Realms book, can anyone confirm that?
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we are not in the second one that is LRL FeC Nurgle CoS and OBR. no idea if we will be in the third one but at the rate they are going they are only going to have 5ish books so i would bet on book 5
 
NecridHydra said:
Aside, a friend of mine told me we were going to be in the second or third Broken Realms book, can anyone confirm that?
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Well, Be'lakor is going to be the star of the third book, and given he's a major Chaos general the Lizardmen will want to stop him, so maybe Lizardmen will be in book 3. Can't guarantee it though.
 
NecridHydra said:
Kilvakar said:
Yeah, much discussion on that topic of late. I think we gon' git nerfed hard, lol! Gotta make those new Lumineth and Slaanesh battletomes more attractive, lol!
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I hope we don't get nerfed massively, I'd leave the game if so.
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Yeah, this is gonna make me into a dawi yet.

Granted, much of my gripes come down to my hatred of "remove fun, replace with skinks" and the sorry state of our "heavy" infantry who can't stand up to more than a stiff breeze.
 
ChapterAquila92 said:
Granted, much of my gripes come down to my hatred of "remove fun, replace with skinks" and the sorry state of our "heavy" infantry who can't stand up to more than a stiff breeze.
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Couldn't agree more, that's why I have very rarely considered using my Lizardmen in AoS. GW keep forgetting that Saurus are the badass poster boys and should be treated with all due respect.
 
Lord Agragax of Lunaxoatl said:
Couldn't agree more, that's why I have very rarely considered using my Lizardmen in AoS. GW keep forgetting that Saurus are the badass poster boys and should be treated with all due respect.
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Not to mention that so much of what makes our units good to begin with is off-loaded to the battalions and subfactions that you wouldn't need to touch the units themselves to make them useless.
 
ChapterAquila92 said:
Not to mention that so much of what makes our units good to begin with is off-loaded to the battalions and subfactions that you wouldn't need to touch the units themselves to make them useless.
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yep our warscrolls are rather bad and requires us to layer and layer our stuff to make it work. if you pull on any of it to hard it won't work any more. and even with all the buffs we barely pull even with a lot of the stuff out there.
 
Lizerd said:
while this is relatively unrelated, i have seen rumors talking about our points changes when the ghb drops, so i pose this, what should we expect from the next ghb?
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Kilvakar said:
Yeah, much discussion on that topic of late. I think we gon' git nerfed hard, lol! Gotta make those new Lumineth and Slaanesh battletomes more attractive, lol!
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The sad fact is that a points review (with increases for the good units) rarely reaches the intended goal. You pick units because of their goodness, the points cost is relative, you adjust the list.
If i want to field salamander i will field them, with a less abount of other things. So, points increase won't resolve almost anything. Unless you go to such extreme that you simply don't play that unit anymore (see Nagash price tag).
And no, points increase IS NOT an incentive to play weakest units... on the contrary, if I am going to spend a lot for the top units, I wanna to be sure that the remaining points will go on something valuable.

If Saurus are rarely played, you can just do 2 things:
1 ) improve their rules or
2) reduce heavily their points. Then, people will consider using them instead of skinks.
 
Killer Angel said:
The sad fact is that a points review (with increases for the good units) rarely reaches the intended goal. You pick units because of their goodness, the points cost is relative, you adjust the list.
If i want to field salamander i will field them, with a less abount of other things. So, points increase won't resolve almost anything. Unless you go to such extreme that you simply don't play that unit anymore (see Nagash price tag).
And no, points increase IS NOT an incentive to play weakest units... on the contrary, if I am going to spend a lot for the top units, I wanna to be sure that the remaining points will go on something valuable.

If Saurus are rarely played, you can just do 2 things:
1 ) improve their rules or
2) reduce heavily their points. Then, people will consider using them instead of skinks.
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2) Should never be considered, that just leads to degenerate gameplay, like our old spam skinks "strategy".

Similarly, if a unit is OP one shouldn't just increase their point cost massivly. All that achieves is that the unit becomes too expensive and thus is never used. Reigning it's problematic rules in is a much better approach.

In general, point cost changes aren't a terribly usefull balancing-tool for units that are truly OP or weak. Not unless the original point cost was already stupid to begin with. They're only really usefull for small adjustments for units who are more or less balanced already and which are close in power and starting cost.
 
Canas said:
2) Should never be considered, that just leads to degenerate gameplay, like our old spam skinks "strategy".
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Oh, i agree. My point was more: "if all what a unit really does is to bring bodies on the battlefield, then i should just pay for that".
But at least in 40k (8th ed), when GW lowered the price tag for some weapons, we saw more uses for them.

But yes, generally points adjustment works only to, well, adjust a wrong cost, not as a balancing factor.
 
Points changes wouldn't stop the complaints about us anyway. What makes people upset is the way the entire army works. They think our summoning is too cheap and want 10cp to be the starting point for skinks. They dont like that starborne can teleport anywhere and want it to be wholly within some range of the slann general. They dont like that we have 60 pt battleline and argue skinks should be 100 for 10. They want kroak to be like 500pts by himself. They want guard to lose the ability to protect him, They want salamanders to lose their mortals on 6s. They want skinks to have 12 inch blowpipes, and to lose horde bonus of 2 shots. They want all our skink heroes to cost 40 more points. They want bound endless spells to cost way more points than they do or to remove them entirely. They want the skink keyword removed from anything thats not skink cohort, to remove the effectiveness of our buffing abilities. They want bastiladons not to do extra to chaos. They want terradons to do less mortals. And so on and so on.

They want a total rework of everything we have that js competitive. There is no pleasing these people and I hope GW realizes that and doesn't cater to them.
 
Jason839 said:
Points changes wouldn't stop the complaints about us anyway. What makes people upset is the way the entire army works. They think our summoning is too cheap and want 10cp to be the starting point for skinks. They dont like that starborne can teleport anywhere and want it to be wholly within some range of the slann general. They dont like that we have 60 pt battleline and argue skinks should be 100 for 10. They want kroak to be like 500pts by himself. They want guard to lose the ability to protect him, They want salamanders to lose their mortals on 6s. They want skinks to have 12 inch blowpipes, and to lose horde bonus of 2 shots. They want all our skink heroes to cost 40 more points. They want bound endless spells to cost way more points than they do or to remove them entirely. They want the skink keyword removed from anything thats not skink cohort, to remove the effectiveness of our buffing abilities. They want bastiladons not to do extra to chaos. They want terradons to do less mortals. And so on and so on.

They want a total rework of everything we have that js competitive. There is no pleasing these people and I hope GW realizes that and doesn't cater to them.
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It's almost as if playing the game doesn't mean you understand how to balance the game :)
 
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