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AoS NEW *rumor*

I've stopped since aeons to go to official GW tournaments.
But not a great decision, anyway.
 
ArtoriusaurusRex said:
https://warhammerworld.warhammer-co...tes/15/2019/10/Updated-Model-Requirements.pdf
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Some of this seems ridiculously excessive.

The example they give of battle-ready is already quite a decently high standard of painting. Could they not at least have picture an example done by "regular" people instead of a 'eavy metal battle ready model? It's still infinitly cleaner and better painted than what some people will manage. And honestly, I'm not sure if some of my older models would be allowed given the difference in quality, even if techniqly they have a sufficient number of colours & some flock on the base.

"Fully assembled models" seems a bit odd. I get not allowing models that are just half a body, like the skeleton example they give. But what exactly is wrong with a space marine with no pauldrons? What if I made a homebrew chapter who only have their left shoulderpad cuz of tradition or some such?

And the complete banning of proxies seems harsh. You can't exactly expect people to have a variant of every possible model sitting around at home in case it becomes meta. Some leeway, like using tank A as tank B, or saying "my saurus all physically have spears but actually they are all using clubs in this game I just didn't have the time to pain 60 new saurus" should be fine.

O, and the fact that they expect you to play a specific faction based on your paint-scheme is just kind of insane. I get that it's fluffy, but who has the time and money to paint an entire new army each time they want to switch space marine chapters?

Given the cost & time involved to obey these rules this seems incredibly stupid.
 
Canas said:
O, and the fact that they expect you to play a specific faction based on your paint-scheme is just kind of insane. I get that it's fluffy, but who has the time and money to paint an entire new army each time they want to switch space marine chapters?
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if you have not used official symbols, maybe you can get around it (for example, not using the salamander icon on your green colored SM). You can declare that chapter a successor of Imperial Fists and use their rules (They are the "Green Furies"!). But i fear they could just say no.
 
Canas said:
Some of this seems ridiculously excessive.

The example they give of battle-ready is already quite a decently high standard of painting. Could they not at least have picture an example done by "regular" people instead of a 'eavy metal battle ready model? It's still infinitly cleaner and better painted than what some people will manage. And honestly, I'm not sure if some of my older models would be allowed given the difference in quality, even if techniqly they have a sufficient number of colours & some flock on the base.

"Fully assembled models" seems a bit odd. I get not allowing models that are just half a body, like the skeleton example they give. But what exactly is wrong with a space marine with no pauldrons? What if I made a homebrew chapter who only have their left shoulderpad cuz of tradition or some such?

And the complete banning of proxies seems harsh. You can't exactly expect people to have a variant of every possible model sitting around at home in case it becomes meta. Some leeway, like using tank A as tank B, or saying "my saurus all physically have spears but actually they are all using clubs in this game I just didn't have the time to pain 60 new saurus" should be fine.

O, and the fact that they expect you to play a specific faction based on your paint-scheme is just kind of insane. I get that it's fluffy, but who has the time and money to paint an entire new army each time they want to switch space marine chapters?

Given the cost & time involved to obey these rules this seems incredibly stupid.
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I'm not trying to defend GW, but minimum painting standards and WYSIWYG (so no proxies) have been tournament standards for a long time, regardless of where you go or who is running them.

Also, using models specifically painted as ultramarines as white scars has been a no-no since the end of 7th edition. It's why if people want to swap easily between chapters they paint a custom chapter.

Literally the only big difference here between 3rd party tournament convention and GW's is no 3d party (or 3d printed) stuff, and even that has been largely a rule for all GW tournaments since the 90's 'ardboyz tournaments.

There's clear exceptions for hand sculpted elements and "printing your own bespoke parts for your army" they just can't be official third party models.

Basically, there's almost no new information in this packet outside of going from "75% of the model must be GW" to "all of the model must be GW."
 
Has anybody been able to figure out what is in the various books, and what will be needed to have all the rules needed to play? I'll admit I'm confused by all the things they list.
 
xoid said:
Has anybody been able to figure out what is in the various books, and what will be needed to have all the rules needed to play? I'll admit I'm confused by all the things they list.
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the GHB will have the core rules. so petty much just that
 
Canas said:
Don't think so, they've stated that if you have contradictory effects only the last one that's applied takes effect. So a +1 (or +2 in this case) and a -1 would default to whichever is applied last. Which honestly sounds kind of insane, but it is what they said...

Anyway, my point was more that it means all these in-build modifiers on warscrolls that were previously a significant advantage cuz they could stack with external buffs are now considerably weaker because the combo just simply no longer works. And some of these combo's might now be outright detrimental depending on what else was provided by them due to the efficiency plummeting.


Specificly printed stuff? That seems specific. What about sculpted stuff? Or just 3th parties models that aren't printed at home but cast like regular?
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3rd party my friend sorry really off day. Handsculpted things are actually welcome to their(GW) tournaments.
 
With regards to the 3rd party content ban, I personally had this to say over on SpaceBattles.

You'd think that GW would finally realize that a 3rd Party market exists because they're not offering what people are looking for, or that people believe they can find better model representation elsewhere for less than what GW is providing. But no, they're gonna continue sticking their collective heads in the sand and try to force their customers into buying their more expensive product that they're refusing to update accordingly.

This is especially harsh on factions whose ranges are in desperate need of updating away from pewter and finecast, not to mention factions that had been previously marketed as being highly customisable.

On the note about stores enforcing certain policies, there's never a lot of consistency between them outside of their headquarters. The one I've been frequenting for a few years now definitely requires at least 50% of the model to be GW product, though the manager hasn't had any issue with anyone bringing in a Praetorian Imperial Guard army to work on or play in-store.
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I genuinely think it's mad weird that people are up in arms about a change that's basically more or less been exactly the same since GW literally started doing tournaments.

Not saying it's good or bad, but the amount of new information here is almost non-existant. Going from a vast majority GW models to all GW models is hardly a difference at all, and full on third party printed stuff from other companies has literally never been allowed in any GW events.

You also gotta think of it from a promotional point of view. How's GW going to show off an army that won best painted at their event if it's heavily featuring another company's miniatures?

Again, not saying its good or bad, right or wrong. It's just a very, very understandable decision and an extremely minor change from the existing requirements.
 
Putzfrau said:
You also gotta think of it from a promotional point of view. How's GW going to show off an army that won best painted at their event if it's heavily featuring another company's miniatures?

Again, not saying its good or bad, right or wrong. It's just a very, very understandable decision and an extremely minor change from the existing requirements.
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You know, they did that at Adepticon one year, when they started streaming games from the top tables. If you had 3rd party models, you weren't ever allowed to be shown on stream, regardless if you made it to the top table or not, or if you got best painted for that event.

Then again, that's a 3rd party Event. It's perfectly normal for most companies to do this. PP does it for their Steam Rollers if I recall, though they don't require painted models, I believe.
I think it's more noticeable and frustrating for some people because of the expansiveness of the game and their ranges.... and the expansiveness between updates for some models. As @ChapterAquila92 said in his blurb.
But, it's also their event, and anyone getting hot under the collar about it probably wasn't planning on attending any of their Nottingham Tournaments.

Side Note: I'm glad they clarified that the miniature doesn't include the base. It was what, a year ago that there were rumors they were going to require GW bases for miniatures at events?
That's actually rage inducing.
 
Putzfrau said:
I genuinely think it's mad weird that people are up in arms about a change that's basically more or less been exactly the same since GW literally started doing tournaments.
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It affects people like me incredibly harshly. I bought all genuine 100% GW Cadians for my Imperial Guard army. They got every cent that they would have expected to go to them.

But then I bought third party head swaps to give my Imperial Guard a more winter look.

Now my army is banned and I didn't do anything wrong at all.
 
ArtoriusaurusRex said:
It affects people like me incredibly harshly. I bought all genuine 100% GW Cadians for my Imperial Guard army. They got every cent that they would have expected to go to them.

But then I bought third party head swaps to give my Imperial Guard a more winter look.

Now my army is banned and I didn't do anything wrong at all.
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Bear in mind that this really only affects you if you're regularly playing at GW or looking at applying for official tournaments. Speaking as someone who does neither - my local gaming group and adjacent Horus Heresy community routinely play at other venues - there's far less of a burden for me to go 3rd party on my Imperial Guard infantry (Anvil Industry's recent drop troopers and their OGRE mini-mechs are a late but welcome alternative to my current kitbash work for my scions and bullgryns respectively) and most of my Eshin and Skryre collection, not to mention replacing my Skaven bloodbowl team with Punga Miniatures' Pi'rats minis (they are the Grey Coast Scuttlers, after all).

Hell, you really can't blame one of my buddies for seeking 3rd Party wolf skull helmets to make his own Space Wolf Deathsworn when the unit didn't have model support yet, and he used to be very pro-GW at the time.
 
ArtoriusaurusRex said:
It affects people like me incredibly harshly. I bought all genuine 100% GW Cadians for my Imperial Guard army. They got every cent that they would have expected to go to them.

But then I bought third party head swaps to give my Imperial Guard a more winter look.

Now my army is banned and I didn't do anything wrong at all.
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Thats fair man, and for you I feel the pain honestly. My space marines use third party shoulder pads and weapons.
 
ArtoriusaurusRex said:
It affects people like me incredibly harshly. I bought all genuine 100% GW Cadians for my Imperial Guard army. They got every cent that they would have expected to go to them.

But then I bought third party head swaps to give my Imperial Guard a more winter look.

Now my army is banned and I didn't do anything wrong at all.
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All you have to do is not play at tournaments in Nottingham. These rules have always been the rules at gw stores. People up in arms because gw put out rules that have always been in place. No one is saying you can't use your models at non gw events
 
Blitzkriyg said:
All you have to do is not play at tournaments in Nottingham. These rules have always been the rules at gw stores. People up in arms because gw put out rules that have always been in place. No one is saying you can't use your models at non gw events
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The rules at GW stores and events have usually been "75% GW plastic in every model" or something like that
 
ArtoriusaurusRex said:
The rules at GW stores and events have usually been "75% GW plastic in every model" or something like that
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Never been like that here, but also, again, these rules only apply to events in Nottingham. If you don't go to events in Nottingham, they have no effect on anything you ever do.
 
Ouch wtf... Warscroll Batallions are indeed gone. The Tzeentch article leaves no room for interpretation. That's some horrible BS right there.

No idea what they were thinking. 40k 8th to 9th was two steps forward, one step back. Aos 2.0 to 3.0 looks like one step forward, two steps back.

So boring.
 
Out of curiosity how many people here use the official skink priest vs the priest that comes with their stegadon. The old model is just so ugly.

I am also using the underworlds starpriest as my second star priest so they look different. I am sure no GW official will care.

For a more dubious proxy I am using the blood owl saurus line guard as my temple guard because their sculpt is 100x better. That I could see someone telling me I need to change.
 
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